Isn't the story here that he came round the sharp turn, and drove into a snowbank to PREVENT hitting the officer? How is THAT assault. No evidence of any knowledge that the officer was standing in in the roadway UNTIL the deceased took the sharp turn and then he immediately drove into a snow bank to AVOID hitting the officer. What was he supposed to do? Go airborne? Use a transporter beam? This was certainly not battery (actual hitting) and was not even a minimal assault (threatening intentionally). That was being surprised by Law Enforcement in the Third Degree. Not a crime or even a civil cause of action.
Legal authorities are not a different and superior species of human being. The badge is NOT a license to kill. They are not 007 whatever they may imagine.
Were those in Finicum's vehicle occupying the nature center or ANYTHING OTHER THAN A MOTOR VEHICLE on a public highway at the time when this atrocious incident occurred? No.
We ought to care a LOT MORE about our constitution and its bill of rights rather than what the Feds THINK (if they think) they are doing. Unless you don't mind waking up in a police state.
Back to your first paragraph. OK, I blew mommy away. She was pushing a baby stroller and I just did not know what kind of firepower she was packing in their or whether the infant had weapons and weapons training. I heard a rumor that a woman looking like Mommy had pulled a felony shoplifting caper at Walmarts, stealing thousands of dollars of baby clothes, toys and diapers.
"Ya can never be too sure, ya know. Better safe than sorry! I hadda stop her before she struck again. OK, so she was not the actual shoplifter. OK, all that was in the stroller was the baby and a bottle and a rattle! The baby will heal eventually, maybe! Sheesh, we all screw up once in a while. Are YOU perfect? Cut me some slack here!"
Ummmm, Agent Bruno McBrutal Neanderthal, you are under arrest! Turn over that badge and gun and step slowly away from them.
Excellent post!
"Agent Bruno McBrutal Neanderthal"!!!
“Speaking of speculation, is there any actual EVIDENCE of carrying fully automatic weapons (such as AK-47s and the like) or RPGs????? Are the usual lamestream media suspects keeping this from us because they secretly support the Second Amendment? Are the federales keeping this from us because they don’t want to hurt the feelings of the grieving families. Have the feds indicated an intent to prosecute on firearms violations? No, No, No, and No! Things that make you go: Hmmmmmm!”
I don’t recall saying anything about them having full-auto weapons or RPGs.
I haven’t heard *anything* about what the Feds intend to prosecute them on. It’s ALL speculation on EVERYONE’s part at this point.
“Isn’t the story here that he came round the sharp turn, and drove into a snowbank to PREVENT hitting the officer? How is THAT assault. No evidence of any knowledge that the officer was standing in in the roadway UNTIL the deceased took the sharp turn and then he immediately drove into a snow bank to AVOID hitting the officer. What was he supposed to do? Go airborne? Use a transporter beam? This was certainly not battery (actual hitting) and was not even a minimal assault (threatening intentionally). That was being surprised by Law Enforcement in the Third Degree. Not a crime or even a civil cause of action.”
Did he plow into the snow to avoid the apex of the roadblock, or to try to go off-road around the roadblock? I did see a cop jump out of the way...I thought at first he’d been hit, but apparently not.
“Legal authorities are not a different and superior species of human being. The badge is NOT a license to kill. They are not 007 whatever they may imagine.”
They are required to apprehend criminals/suspects, some of whom don’t want to come along quietly. This sometimes puts them in situations where they have to use their weapons.
“Were those in Finicum’s vehicle occupying the nature center or ANYTHING OTHER THAN A MOTOR VEHICLE on a public highway at the time when this atrocious incident occurred? No.”
Were they violating any traffic laws? Is that how citizens are pulled over on Oregon roads? No. They were being pulled because of the occupation of the wildlife refuge. If somebody is wanted for bank robbery, but they drive carefully, does that mean the cops aren’t going to pull them over?
“We ought to care a LOT MORE about our constitution and its bill of rights rather than what the Feds THINK (if they think) they are doing. Unless you don’t mind waking up in a police state.”
I concur. My original intent was to criticize Mr. Finicum’s thought process where he believed he was going to be allowed to drive between point A and point B unmolested.
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Now you’re just being ridiculous.
And for the record, I am not, nor have I ever been a “Fed.”
I was a Federal Employee for some time, but I didn’t have anything to do with law enforcement.