I have been through it frame by frame.
If this is a true representation of what happened...and it looks authentic and unedited...but I do not have the tools to say that last for sure...then it was about 13-14 seconds between the time Lavoy got out of the vehicle, after trying to plow through the snow and get around the roadblock, and the time he was shot.
During that time, he did reach down to his side a couple of time. He faced first one officer by the cars, and then noticed another (and there were two back there) coming out of the trees. He did reach down...and this second guy appears to be the one who shot. I do not think more than two or three shot at him...but I cannot say.
They then gathered themselves together and used some flash bangs on the truck.
Ultimately, the have toe other occupants come out one by one and secure them. Then, afire about 12 minutes, they get back to Lavoy...but I am sure that by that time he was certainly gone...in fact from my perspective, when he went down he never so much as moved again and I think he was mortally wounded from the start.
It’s hard to watch.
Lavoy clearly drove off after being stopped. One car followed and it was at a good distance on this video. I do not see how much if any shooting occurred during the cahse...it wasn’t really a chase.
He came out of the vehicle almost immediately after it stopped...and to begin with his hands were up...but when he faced the first guy, he clearly reaches down to his side. Bit that guy did not fire. when he turns to the second guy and appears to reach down again is when the hooting starts...and he went right down.
From watching this...honestly, I cannot say that the shooting was murder at all.
The courts will decide whether it was justified. The courts will decide whether there was any reason for such force. Clearly...this was an abject set up. They had many vehicles, a road block and an aircraft (eitherr a helo, a small fixed wing aircraft, or perhaps a UAV) in the air already for this.
The courts will decide if that was necessary and if these people had been told that they would be allowed safe passage.
I have a feeling they were...and I have a fleeing that that Sheriff Ward was in the middle of it.
I have taken 34 of the stilles from the time he approached the roadblock until the time the officers finally gathered around hi body and analyzed them.
I will post that analysis tomorrow.
Sounds like it is close enough for a reasonable shoot.
I said before that if no videos emerged, it was murder.
Videos emerged seemingly cooroborating the eyewitness account, or close enough to justify the shoot.
I cannot get too worked up about this one, and I’m on your — our — side.
Read post 94 - curious what you think. And yes, this was certainly not cold blooded murder as so many around here have alleged.
The video quality makes this uncertain, but, the talker at the video posted at #67 above claims that the back window of the SUV is shot out at 7:08, while Lavoy still has his hands up.
Incoming? Outgoing?
You are right about it being hard to watch, that is for sure...
One thing is for sure, the statement that Lavoy was shot while “on his knees” is BS, as is the statement that Lavoy “charged” at an officer. Both sides are lying, or at least badly exaggerating. The protesters’ version is at least understandable, esp. if they were ducking gunshots. The FBI, not so much, as they’re the professionals.
Did the LEO’s entice Lavoy into reaching for a weapon, or was he simply confused by continued gunshots? I don’t know...
On the ground audio that could be sync’d to the video would help.
> The courts will decide if that was necessary and if these people had been told that they would be allowed safe passage.
In regard to safe passage see the video on this page at time index 1:00 - 1:26
http://kcby.com/news/nation-world/leader-of-oregon-occupation-ammon-bundy-three-others-arrested
Did he charge?