Posted on 01/28/2016 12:59:06 PM PST by Kaslin
I think you are wrong. The consulate or embassy issues a report of birth abroad for kids born outside the USA. My kids got one. I had to go through a process to report the birth and get the certificate before I could get them passports.
If that is so, then Ted Cruz would not qualify.
Close, but no cigar. Obama's mother did not meet the criteria of having lived in the US for 5 years beyond her 16th birthday when little Barry was born - the statute in effect at the time. But thank you for offering up that non-sequitor to the discussion.
Both. But his father's citizenship status at the time of Ted's birth is irrelevant to Ted's claim of US citizenship (but not to his claim on Cuban citizenship), because his father did not become a US citizen until after Cruz was born. Ted's US citizenship was acquired from his mother. His Cuban citizenship was acquired from his father, and his Canadian citizenship derives from being born in Canada, in wedlock recognized by Canada, to parents who were lawful residents of Canada.
I was posting here, posting the same info I now post about Cruz.
post 27 brings up a VERY good point
this issue would give the dems:
Cruz Control!
That pathetic child can stand when someone has higher poll ratings than he does.
Uh, you might want to read up on that.
He would most certainly have to have SOMETHING to prove his US citizenship. Even his campaign knows that because they made a claim that his mother HAD applied for the CRBA so Cruz could have a US passport. THEY know it.
Cruz was born and a Canadian birth certificate was issued to his parents. That is not sufficient proof of eligibility for US citizenship. Read that link. That is the offical requirement from Canada, US consulate on how to secure the US citizenship document. I am not making this up.
Born here of citizen parents = natural born citizen
No possiblity of being anything but a US citizen
Born here of foreign national parent(s) = citizen, with additional citizenship(s) possible, not natural born citizen
Born abroad of American parent(s) = citizen by operation of naturalization laws, additional citizenship(s) possible, not natural born citizen
Obama was born a British subject, he is what the founders were guarding against with the requirement
Ted Cruz is a great conservative Senator, unfortunately he is not a natural born citizen and is ineligble for President as the Constitution was written
If we accept the new definition as simply born a citizen, then we will be making every anchor baby and Winston Churchill eligible.
What is this supposed to mean? *rme*
Some of those Obama BC threads were the biggest threads around back then.
You missed all of those?
I’m not wrong. A CRBA is not required to get a passport and you are not required to get a CRBA.
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html
“According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.
The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.
Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible.”
I was trying to get ANYONE to stop The Usurper from usurping the office for which he is ineligble. All I got from my elected Republican or Democrat representatives was BS. They KNEW he was ineligible and did nothing because they wanted to do away with the natural born citizen requirement. They’ve been working at it for years. All legislative efforts have failed so they just did it with Precedent Obama.
I don’t need to read up on it. I already read the document at the link.
A CRBA is not required to get a U.S. passport and a U.S. passport is sufficient to document one’s citizenship.
Not quite. There is no question that Ted Cruz acquired dual citizenship at birth. Dual citizenship is rather common.
If one wants to argue that Cruz is disqualified because his parents were abroad when he was born, one has to be willing to also disqualify all the foreign born children of U.S. military families, all the foreign born children of U.S. business expats on their five year assignments to Rotterdam, London, or Tokyo, all the foreign born children of U.S. diplomats, missionaries, academics teaching abroad, etc. There are a LOT of such people. I don't think anyone wants to disqualify them, or seriously thinks the Constitution does so.
If one wants to disqualify Cruz because one parent was a foreign citizen at the time of his birth, one will similarly have to disqualify many people. No one wants to do that. The lynch-Cruz-crowd is ciphering out mystical readings of 18th century notions of "natural born" and coming up with the idea that citizenship in such cases would depend on the father, not the mother. So on that line of analysis, Cruz is disqualified if we are prepared, and the Supreme Court is prepared, to uphold the legal inferiority of women -- not, mind you, based on anything the constitution actually says, but on the basis of creative extemporization of 18th century common law, never tested or litigated in 230 years, but now to be imposed by the courts in an ad hoc effort to disqualify a single candidate.
All this involves far too much stretching to pass the laugh test. The trick is how to singularly disqualify Cruz without tying oneself up in knots that will boomerang on many others. It can't be done.
In point of fact, the Constitution does not define "natural born citizen." The intent of that provision was to prevent would-be royalists from importing European nobility, naturalizing them, and making them president. We don't need crazy house mirrors and strained interpretations for that purpose. The simple and robust definition of "natural born citizen" is "citizen at birth." That is all that is needed. On that standard, Cruz qualifies.
Yes, I know, some adventurous democratic scholars are now arguing that there is a distinction between "natural born citizen" and a citizen "automatically naturalized at birth." That is the kind of nonsense on stilts that is being invented. Enough. If you have been a citizen since birth, you are eligible to run for president.
The previous post referred to “VP-elect”
The image was Dick Cheney introducing SlowJoe to the
Vice President’s residence in Jan 2008.
I did not get a choice. I got both for my kids and had to get the Report of Birth Abroad before I could apply for their passports. Maybe the law has changed since then, but Cruz was born before my kids were.
I hope I didn’t misunderstand you when you posted the photo, but isn’t that what all outgoing Vice Presidents do?
He has more love and loyalty to America than most of the freeping birthers. Tell thousands of Americans they are not citizens cause their mom was fighting overseas for her country. Or tourists that had their babies early in a foreign country that they aren’t Americans.
Wives of ambassadors who join their husbands or are ambassadors themselves that when they get back, their kids aren’t citizens.
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