Posted on 01/27/2016 8:06:06 PM PST by dynoman
Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, the spokesman of the refuge occupation, was shot and killed after he charged police during a roadside stop north of Burns on Tuesday, according to a man on Facebook who claims to be the driver of one of two vehicles involved in the highway shooting.
McConnell said he noticed movement, and Finicum "took off" in the pickup with the remaining passengers. He said Payne and Cox described encountering a police roadblock about a mile north on the highway and apparently tried to get around it, becoming stuck in the snow.
"When he exited the vehicle, the rear wheels were still spinning," McConnell said. "He charged at law enforcement" and was shot.
(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...
I watched the guy's video.
You can see the puppet strings attached to the Feds.
My guess is he was playing for "no felony charges".
The Feds probably miscalculated on the girl - they didn't think she'd be brave enough to spill.
After all - she's just a little girl, and they'd just showed her what some HK MP5s on full auto could do.
Travis - can you believe the sort of "fire discipline" these guys showed?
I wouldn't want any one of those flakes anywhere near me with a weapon.
habeas video
Did you read all the comments? If he’s a puppet so are all the commenters.
habeas video
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I watched the video. You could almost see the Federal law enforcement puppet strings on the guy.
You Commit Three Felonies a Day
By L. GORDON CROVITZ Sept. 27, 2009
That was written 6 years ago.
The Federal felony sausage factory has been cranking them out since then.
As I posted yesterday: "felony conspiracy to interfere"? You could have asked 1 million Americans on Monday if they knew about that particular Federal "felony" - and you would have gotten close to a million "Nos".
Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent
Harvey A. Silverglate
2011
The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day. Why? The answer lies in the very nature of modern federal criminal laws, which have exploded in number but also become impossibly broad and vague.
I'm guessing that he's not an informant - but that he was given a choice by the Feds.
Read the script, or get a few dozen felonies larded onto your @ss.
And I'll bet they taped the video more than a few times, till he got it "Just Right". We've saw a campaign commercial tape like that recently - the "behind the scenes" retaping till you get it right.
A Fed with a puckish sense of humor would have taped the "confession" with the same video camera that caught the last moments of Finicum.
You know, the video we aren't seeing.
Hey, habeas video already.
LaVoy was a man of his word.
He said he would not be taken alive and he took actions to ensure he was not taken alive.
Psalm 144 wrote:
“Accuracy must not be a part of FBI training if this is true.”After listening to the whole tape, and assuming the accuracy of the witness’ perceptions, this makes sense.
The FBI and whatever else organization could easily have killed all of these people at any time once they stopped the vehicle. They could have been shot to bits like Bonnie and Clyde.
Most of these people were not shot because fedzilla did not want them dead. This was an example. This was an act of State terrorism. The laser targeting, the car shot to bits and shot all around the passengers was to drive home their vulnerability. At least one had to die to prove the government’s willingness and resolve to execute dissidents, but the others were intended to be terrorized. They will mostly be let free to carry the story home. This is meant to intimidate and suppress dissenters. This is much more subtle and strategic than the federal atrocities at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
That is how I read it, anyway. Willing to hear other theories which account for this bizarre sequence of events.
Yes, it’s tragic. I’m reminded of these quotes;
“It is a popular idea that a man is a hero just because he was killed in action. Rather, I think, a man is frequently a fool when he gets killed.” - Patton
“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.” - Patton
Is this video of the incident itself, or of the witness?
I trust neither side in their verbal accounts. Let the videotaped stop and shooting speak for itself.
The Founding Fathers would have termed it: habeas video
1. You have posted these same quotes repeatedly. Why?
2. It is far more logical to listen to the words of an actual eyewitness than to read comments about a video by folks who were not present for the event. What is your purpose for suggesting that an eyewitness account is less trustworthy than the remarks of people like you and me who were not present and therefore have absolutely no knowledge of what actually happened?
3. You have asked multiple times why she would have had her head up while bullets were flying, implying that her account is not plausible. I suggest you listen carefully to her account. Her head was down during the barrage of shooting at the vehicle but Finnicum had been already been killed before that barrage of bullets and gas started.
4. Where are photos of the vehicle?
5. Where is the video of the event?
6. What is tragic is that an event where an officer who has been attacked and is truly in fear for his life results in a Ferguson episode while the media (and many Americans) yawns, ignores, or justifies the use of lethal force in cases like this (and the rancher who was killed in Idaho a few months ago).
1. Because Patton understood you don’t gain anything by dying for your country, you gain by living.
2. It might be, but one source is never as good as more than one. Others on this thread understand.
3. Same as 2
4. I don’t know, do you? Why is she talking about a car? LaVoy was driving a diesel truck right?
5. I don’t know do you? Interesting they can video themselves vandalizing utility security cameras but no one though to video the shootout?
6. Can make any conclusions yet. Others understand this.
You'll notice the tap-dancing "dynoman" dance all around the issue of the numerous well-paid Federal agents, armed with $15,000 submachine guns, who apparently were "too poor" to afford common video cameras. And their Federal department was "too poor", also.
No, it's all on the guys who don't have the drones, heavy military vehicles or snipers to videotape their own murders.
But if they HAD videotaped it, the Feds would have immediately posted it to Youtube.
And 0bamas would fly out my butt...
He won't address other good points posted DIRECTLY to him by other freepers.
HOWEVER.
The Feds need to produce a videotape. Even if it shows an unarmed Finicum "charging" the gunmen with his hands up, and no weapon - then the argument will descend to "he shouldn't have charged" or "he was unarmed".
Bith arguments have merit. I, of course, would take the "he was unarmed" side of the argument.
You, and many others, would probably take the "he shouldn't have charged" side.
We have those kind of arguments all the time on FR, and it's usually a wash. And there's no indictment of law enforcement.
Law enforcement, and ESPECIALLY Federal law enforcement, no longer has any credibility in the age of the smart phone if they claim "there's no video", or refuse to release a video.
At that point, "they murdered him" wins the argument every time.
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