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To: xzins

A local sheriff in an adjoining country warned of this on Sunday or Monday. HE indicated that he feared that the Feds were ultimately going to kill people to force an end.

My question...and one I am attempting to get an answer to...is why the Bundy’s decided to drive to John Day for this meeting. They are not foolish or stupid, or ignorant. They know the types of surveillance the Feds have at their disposal. Driving all that way to John Day was bound to open them to extreme risk of exactly what happened.

If I can find out any info on that I will of course share it.

In my own opinion, after they had several national interviews and were able to get a very clear...and IMHO reasoned...message out, they should have sought to step back and use other means of online organizing to plan and then implement protests across the west, culminating in a large protest in Washington DC. but they chose to stand firm at the refuge, which is very remote, in the hopes of getting the Hammonds released and change in the land policy of these agencies as a result of that pressure.

With this administration, I felt it had little chance of working that way. But the message they delivered had reached a lot of people and could have generated a much larger movement for the Hammonds and the land issues.

Oh well...they had every right to protest and to do it in the way they felt was best.


21 posted on 01/27/2016 6:17:48 AM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Jeff Head; P-Marlowe

There should not have been a murder just because they were protesting land ownership by the federal government.

If we find the ID of the trigger, then that would also be interesting.

Why go to John Day for a meeting unless someone had agreed to it being set up? No one goes ‘hoping’ to find a meeting when they arrive.

You are right. Something stinks.


23 posted on 01/27/2016 6:21:10 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Jeff Head

Its quite likely the feds or their representative requested the meeting and offered up some juicy terms.

Federal & State agents see ‘civilians’ as criminals and terrorists they just haven’t arrested yet. They have no respect for anyone not affiliated with the govt.


34 posted on 01/27/2016 6:31:59 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jeff Head
They probably got a face to face threat from the FBI. Get head out to so and so, you'll be pulled over by the Oregon State Sheriffs, or we can do it the other way.
47 posted on 01/27/2016 6:45:55 AM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: Jeff Head
If I can find out any info on that I will of course share it.

Try and get us a heads up on the updates

54 posted on 01/27/2016 6:52:25 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Jeff Head

Well, I suppose montel should be giddy with this news. Disgusting.


69 posted on 01/27/2016 7:14:56 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Jeff Head
...and one I am attempting to get an answer to...is why the Bundy’s decided to drive to John Day for this meeting. They are not foolish or stupid, or ignorant. They know the types of surveillance the Feds have at their disposal. Driving all that way to John Day was bound to open them to extreme risk of exactly what happened.

Thats what I dont understand is why they even opened themselves up to LEO intervention in the first place.

They were the ones peacefully demonstrating by taking over the refuge building, which is a crime for which LEO, I am sure, did not forget about.

Did they think they would have unfettered travels to do what ever they want with their current crimes hanging over their heads?

Americans are being killed standing up for their belief in Freedom and the Constitution. FedGov is overreaching in its authority and scope. Cankles and the Bent One tried to sell Oregon's uranium to the Russians, she is all but a convicted spy and is leading in the polls for the democrat presidential candidate.(!!??!!)

Keep your powder dry!

167 posted on 01/27/2016 9:00:20 AM PST by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: Jeff Head

Ruby Ridge & Waco were a massive overreach by public servants that caused deaths of innocent citizens. It’s like these situations are set up to result in the unnecessary use of deadly tactical force. The rules of engagement need to be exposed and disclosed. Our Bill of Rights are under assault.


298 posted on 01/27/2016 6:49:37 PM PST by apoliticalone (Political correctness should be defined as news media that exposes political corruption)
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