Posted on 01/25/2016 10:08:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Donald Trump stepped up his attack on Ted Cruz on Monday, tweeting that the Texas senator needs to "either settle his problem" of having been born in Canada or leave the race.
"It's time for Ted Cruz to either settle his problem with the FACT that he was born in Canada and was a citizen of Canada, or get out of race," Trump tweeted Monday morning, on the heels of Fox News polls released over the weekend that showed him with double-digit leads over Cruz in both Iowa and New Hampshire.
Trump has insisted over the course of the last month that Cruz needs to tackle the issue of his eligibility because he was born in Calgary, Canada, despite Cruz's assertions that he is eligible based on the fact that his mother was born in the United States. Cruz renounced his dual Canadian citizenship in 2014, a fact that Trump has frequently pointed out as cause for concern.
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Cute, but there's no question that constitutionally it doesn't matter the state of health. And as long as your at least 35 there's no limit on how old. BUT there is a problem with not being a natural born citizen and there is vigorous disagreement among legal and constitutional experts on whether or not Cruz is indeed natural born.
Natural born citizenship then is equivalent to natural born allegiance.
Allegiance, according to the English common law means: the duty of loyalty and obedience owed by all persons born within the king's realm that attaches immediately upon their birth and that they cannot be relieved of by their own actions. In US law, it means: the obligation of fidelity and obedience that is owed by native born and naturalized American citizens to the United States that cannot be relinquished without the consent of the government expressed by a statutory enactment.
Ted was most definitely born into the allegiance of Canada. According to Canadian law in effect at the time of his birth (the Canadian Naturalization Act of 1947 specifically), he was, in fact, a natural born citizen of Canada.
Though he is a citizen of the United States, he most definitely is not a Natural Born Citizen of the United States. As such, he is not eligible to be POTUS or Vice POTUS.
OK, you can try and ignore the actual documents and pick an opinion you like better but its a very messy subject and the law would need to be amended for Cruz to be a Natural Born Citizen of America. He had to meet statutory standards to become a citizen at all so he is not Natural born.
>> Why can’t Cruz man up and take it to the courts? The burden of proof is his.
Without a legal challenge to his claim, the idea of “burden of proof” has no meaning.
>> Trump is now dictater?
Has been for years... in the fever swamps of his own mind.
I’m sorry this sound pretty silly to me. The major bases have been cover and medical records don’t predict the future for anyone last time I checked.
Look at the campaign schedule he’s keeping up with. He looks great after all that time on the road and under the lights. Perhaps you should concern yourself with Hillary and Bernie who both look like death warmed over and are much more fragile. “People are saying” that is a real red flag to me.
Comments like yours really tick me off because if Trump is brought down by the Establishment types America better just wave goodbye, Cruz is not electable and is just more of the same with a better wrapper. He has accomplished nothing outside of politics and doesn’t know how its done. Not to mention his substantial monetary obligations to the business types who want cheap labor and blurring of National Autonomy.
So all the fake concern while you try and stick in the knife leaves me real cold. Reading over your other comments on the forum I see what axe you have to grind here.
Mocking someone with a disability would show that someone lacked empathy, that and someone who excessively uses superlatives are signs that an individual may be a narcissist. But I had already figured that out about Trump.
Trump is “closing the deal” That’s what he does. He does not choke like Mitt. Just because you don’t like watching it does not mean its not happening.
Not going to argue with you, Both of Teds parents lived in the United States and are naturalized. Ted being born in Canada only gives him duel citizenship. There is no grounds for this discussion. Trump is flapping his big mouth, there is no legal grounds, it is settled. Trump said so himself in September, now he, Trump is flip floping because he is afraid of losing.
Not bad for 70 years old but if not for his hair transplants he would look much, much, much older.
At present, all FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests filed in search of any U.S. citizenship documents to confirm the true official U.S. citizenship status of Ted Cruz have been denied access. All citizenship records for Ted Cruz are sealed unless and until Ted Cruz agrees to allow any such records to be released by either U.S. or Canadian agencies.
Stretched and wrong. NBC is as I described it. You are a natural born citizen if you gain your citizenship naturally and not through judicial or legislative action.
Ted was a citizen of the US at birth and required no naturalization... at least he's never been naturalized that I can find. He has enjoyed all of the rights and privileges of citizenship including holding office as a Senator (which has a citizenship requirement).
He was also recognized as a citizen of Canada through Jus Soli, though he and his mother apparently assumed he would have to be naturalized to be a Canadian citizen. Finding out that was incorrect as an adult, he renounced his Canadian citizenship.
It does seem that way, doesn’t it?
To be a Natural Born Subject or Citizen of a particular country means to be born into and under the full allegiance of a particular country. It is distinct from a citizen who may obtain the rights of citizenship by right of statute. Ted was, without any doubt, born into the allegiance of Canada and, by their own laws, he is considered a Natural Born Citizen of Canada.
“Without a legal challenge to his claim, the idea of “burden of proof” has no meaning.”
I am referring to the court of public opinion, where votes originate.
>> He’s posted his Canadian birth certificate but not his Consular Report of Birth Abroad. Why not?
Have you asked his campaign? If it’s important to you, perhaps you should.
I don’t speak for them so I can’t answer your question. And he’s got my vote, regardless.
>> So, Ted lets it fester.
It’s an open question — but are you SURE it’s really “festering”, just because it hasn’t been settled in a way that Trump and his supporters have acknowledged?
I’m skeptical that it’s a fester-worthy issue for the electorate.
Petitioner, having been born outside the territory of the United States, is an alien as far as the Constitution is concerned, and "can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory; or by authority of Congress."
Dung Van Chau, Petitioner, v. Immigration and Naturalization Service, Respondent, 247 F.3d 1026, (9th Cir. 2001)
However, evidence of foreign birth gives rise to a rebuttable presumption of alienage, shifting the burden to the respondent or deportee to prove citizenship.
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