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To: Moonman62

There could be an OEC with physics divides too. Nothing rules it out. The bible warns about “quarrels about words” seeming to recognize that sometimes we may not be able to puzzle out exactly what a passage is getting at. This is where patience, rather than getting dogmatic, pays.


16 posted on 01/25/2016 10:17:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m glad to see you’re at least willing to consider the possibility of YEC. It’s apparently become acceptable on FR to try to shout down and scorn people who believe in it. Sad.

For me, it’s a faith issue. God owns us, and can therefore eternally and mercifully reward righteousness and eternally and mercilessly punish depravity. And the reason He owns us is because He created us. By claiming He didn’t create us, I think ultimately those who espouse this view are trying to remove Him from the eternal punishment business. But that won’t work out for them.

Claiming this robs Him of glory that He alone deserves. He had to violate the 1st Law of Thermodynamics by creating matter/energy in the first place.

If God only spoke of creation in Genesis, it would’ve been enough for me. But He spoke throughout Scripture of the fact that He created, including several passages even in Revelation:

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

(Greek ktizo=created=fabricated)

Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

(Greek ktizo=created=fabricated)

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

(Greek poieo=made)

Other passages in the NT include Matthew 19:4, Mark 10:6, Mark 13:19, John 1:3-10, Acts 14:15, Acts 17:24, Acts 17:26, Rom. 1:20, 1 Cor. 11:9, Eph. 3:9, Col. 1:16, Heb. 1:2, Heb. 11:3, etc.

It’s very strange that written history can be traced back only as far as would fit within a YEC viewpoint. Adam would’ve been created with an apparent age, as would everything else. And Einstein’s general theory of relativity and its potential for a white hole at the beginning of the universe can possibly solve the problem of starlight and time.

It all comes down to beginning assumptions. I choose to assume Scripture is true and every man who denies it is a liar.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Sounds very much like the descent into belief in evolution.


48 posted on 01/25/2016 11:20:31 AM PST by afsnco
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