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To: SisterK

Abortions used to be prohibited under pain of law but it never was treated the same as murder.

We run into sticky territory here. I hate abortion as much as the next guy, but this is an attempt to move the matter onto the plane of human-given rights rather than God-given and human-acknowledged rights. The Constitution never quite rose to talking about God-given rights even though the Declaration of Independence did. Blame chattel slavery for that coy omission, I would probably reason. Sin has a cost. At any rate, now we deal with a man-given rights paradigm.

One sticky problem is, what kind of responsibility do we assess in the event of what might have been called an act of God? Like failure of a zygote to implant, or miscarriage? If the only rights they have are before men, then men are forced into ridiculous positions. If their rights are before God, then acts of God are not counted against men.


13 posted on 01/23/2016 5:48:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>> At any rate, now we deal with a man-given rights paradigm.

And the situation where a woman’s “liberty” is defined by having the right to kill. Sick.


15 posted on 01/23/2016 5:51:07 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I see it differently. It allows for an (overwhelmingly logical) secular argument for life. If unborn children are defined as persons legislatively, they pick up all the rights and duties of any other citizen. Most notably the right to DUE PROCESS. And also the right to representation.


21 posted on 01/23/2016 5:57:25 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The schadenfreude is going to be epic)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, we already have mix-o-problems with the same regard

- Abortion isn’t murder
- But killing a baby in-utero (drunk crash, robbery) get a 2-fer
- Mothers have ‘every right’ to murder their child
- Fathers have NO say yes/no and WILL be on the hook for 18-yrs if come to term.
- Mothers can be prosecuted for fetal-alcohol/drug

Only the Left can pretzel logic enough to have and eat their cake.

Course, logic isn’t their forte. Though, it’s not hard to see that the new genetic make-up in the tummy is the EXACT same post-vagina = the child born is the same HUMAN pre-birth.


25 posted on 01/23/2016 6:11:37 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Same as if someone has a heart attack and dies.


31 posted on 01/23/2016 6:26:39 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Failure to implant, etc., are merely examples of natural death, and are not homicide.

When my 85-year-old grandmother dies of a heart attack, nobody gets charged with homicide.

I think the issue you are trying to create is totally imaginary.


39 posted on 01/23/2016 8:28:47 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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