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To: John Valentine; Arthur Wildfire! March; All
Since it was my argument that GPH allegedly debunked, please let me debunk the bebunking.

What's bizarre about this is that Valentine names me directly, fancies that he is "debunking" me, but then doesn't bother to ping me at all. Next, looking at the "debunking," no debunking actually happened. In fact, there is no ARGUMENT at all!:

To summarize, Minor v. Happersett concerned itself with sufferage only. The Court did not decide on any other right or privilege of Citizenship but it did in its reasoning imply that the rights of women that accrue by virtue of citizenship are essentially congruous with the rights of men.

In other words, Valentine is giving us a long lecture on a court case which he argues doesn't even address the question at hand directly. He then argues that the court case found that the rights of citizenship for women are "essentially congruous with the rights of men." But then he doesn't bother to complete the thought. He simply asserts: "I argue that women can bequeath citizenship in the same manner and extent of men!"

So where's the argument!? The next step of the argument should be "passing natural born status to children is a universal right associated with citizenship," and then you give this magical thing we call "reasons." Right now Valentine's argument is just A --> B --> ??? ---> D.

Whatever the case, the entire exercise is irrelevant because the argument of the court is that women were always considered citizens, even in previous court cases which argued over whether women could inherit property, and that the 14th amendment did not add any privileges, it merely provided additional guarantee of protection for such rights they already had. From the court Syllabus:

"The right of suffrage was not necessarily one of the privileges or immunities of citizenship before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment, and that amendment does not add to these privileges and immunities. It simply furnishes additional guaranty for the protection of such as the citizen already had."

Maybe that's why Valentine didn't bother to ping me. He knows I have this weird, magical power that I like to call "Looking the Court Case up."

139 posted on 01/22/2016 10:45:28 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

So... you agree with me, but don’t like me. I don’t care.


143 posted on 01/22/2016 4:50:52 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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