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To: Cold Heat

I was taught in high school that the reason that the founders specified that the president be a “natural born citizen” was to avoid having someone with divided loyalties ascending to the presidency. How this plays out legally in Ted Cruz’s case has not to my knowledge been decided by the courts. I am not a lawyer and not sure that other cases cited actually apply to this specific set of circumstances. I believe that Cruz himself should ask for clarification. With his sincere cooperation I would think that a binding decision could be made quickly. I don’t think that the tactics employed by Obama and his surrogates will work in this situation.


255 posted on 01/19/2016 12:20:21 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15
I believe that Cruz himself should ask for clarification

Well, in a make believe world, that might be a great idea, but to my knowledge he cannot do that.

Some TV lawyer suggested he could petition the court for a declaratory judgment. I am not a lawyer of any kind, but in my understanding a declaratory judgment has to stem from a case and Cruz has no standing to sue himself on a constitutional or any other matter.IMO.

Secondly, what kind of damage is political damage and how is it mitigated?

By fixing the election? [sarc]

This would belong in congress, IMO

They would punt on this, but they do have impeachment, and the ability to write law.

258 posted on 01/19/2016 12:40:16 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: fireman15
I was taught in high school that the reason that the founders specified that the president be a “natural born citizen” was to avoid having someone with divided loyalties ascending to the presidency.

There are countries that grant citizenship based on the fact that one of your grandparents was a citizen. So, you could be born in the US to two citizen parents and still have "divided loyalties". Which is obviously absurd!

In 2011, the Congressional Research Service published an essay on the NBC question. It concludes:

In textual constitutional analysis, it is understood that terms used but not defined in the [Constitution] must, as explained by the Supreme Court, “be read in light of British common law” since the Constitution is “framed in the language of the English common law.”

In addition to historical and textual analysis, numerous holdings and references in federal (and state) cases for more than a century have clearly indicated that those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction (i.e., not born to foreign diplomats or occupying military forces), even to alien parents, are citizens “at birth” or “by birth,” and are “natural born,” as opposed to “naturalized,” U.S. citizens. There is no provision in the Constitution and no controlling American case law to support a contention that the citizenship of one’s parents governs the eligibility of a native born U.S. citizen to be President.

Although the eligibility of native born U.S. citizens has been settled law for more than a century, there have been legitimate legal issues raised concerning those born outside of the country to U.S. citizens. From historical material and case law, it appears that the common understanding of the term “natural born” in England and in the American colonies in the 1700s may have included both the strict common law meaning as born in the territory (jus soli), as well as the statutory laws adopted in England since at least 1350, which included children born abroad to British fathers (jus sanguinis, the law of descent).

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen.


261 posted on 01/19/2016 1:18:25 PM PST by cynwoody
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