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According to Ted Cruz’ logic, Barack Obama COULD have been born in Kenya...and still been eligible. I have a serious problem with that.


205 posted on 01/19/2016 5:34:47 AM PST by montag813
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The only caveat to that, and how they weasel out of the conclusion, is that the Act of Congress that operates toward Obama conditions his citizenship on his mother having resided in the US for five years after she reaches the age of 14. She birthed the usurper-to-be when she was 18, so failed to meet the residency requirement.

BUT, if you take away the citizen-parent's residency angle, and hold that citizenship passes by blood, Cruz and Obama are situated exactly the same.

The second two claims, those associated with birth abroad, exist by dint of positive statutory law. Both of those claims have equal validity at the time of birth. Neither stands superior over the other.

Cuba's claim on Cruz was as valid as the US claim. They are exactly the same at the time of his birth.

The law can't predict the life path that any person will take, and it is error to look at a person, now, and assign their allegiance now as their allegiance at birth.

Citizenship is a formulaic body of law. It is ancient law. Vattel and Blackstone were merely learned observers of the law. They do not make the law, they just express their understanding of how it works.

It just happens that citizenship law under the US Constitution flows the same ancient formula that Vattel and Blackstone observed and restated. US citizenship law does not depend on Vattel for force, US citizenship law is it's own, primary source of authority. Vattel, if he were to observe the US, would conclude that the US applies the same ancient formula for citizenship that all other nations do.

Under the ancient, and universally applied rules of citizenship, a natural born citizen is a person born in the nation, of parents who owe no allegiance to any other nation.

Under the US constitution, a natural born citizen is a person born a citizen of any of the states (which is slightly different from being born in the state, and may look to the parents' domicile), of parents who owe no allegiance to any other nation.

Dual citizens are precluded from the office of the presidency, and Obama has usurped that position by act of Congress, which was derelict in not even discussing the ramifications of dual citizenship, and inaction by the courts.

207 posted on 01/19/2016 5:50:14 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: montag813

RE: According to Ted Cruz’ logic, Barack Obama COULD have been born in Kenya...and still been eligible.

My personal view is this -— ASK ONE IMPORTANT QUESTION:

Do you have to go through the NATURALIZATION process in order to receive your American passport?

If not, then you are a natural born American citizen (American citizen at birth ).

If yes, then you are NOT a natural born American citizen.

So, how did Ted Cruz obtain his American passport?


234 posted on 01/19/2016 9:14:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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