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To: Hugin

His claim is more than a claim because the state has accepted his claim and issued him a birth certificate. So it matters not whether he was actually born in Hawaii or born in Kenya. Remember how in the Wizard of Oz how the Scarecrow wished he had a brain and the Wizard gave him a diploma?


49 posted on 01/18/2016 6:18:26 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: RobbyS

“His claim is more than a claim because the state has accepted his claim and issued him a birth certificate. So it matters not whether he was actually born in Hawaii or born in Kenya. Remember how in the Wizard of Oz how the Scarecrow wished he had a brain and the Wizard gave him a diploma?”

That is another false statement.

First, the different alleged Hawaiian birth certificates supplied to the public are all very badly done forgeries.

Second, even if one of those forgeries had been a real birth certificate, it lacked the state’s endorsement required to certify the authenticity of the birth event. As the document appeared when presented to the public, it was nothing more than a form submitted by the grandmother for the benefit of the grandson and daughter in which the delayed report of the birth is claimed without the required affirmation to certify the birth event and details of the birth event were genuine. Had there been such a form filed, it would have resulted in the production of a birth certificate record with the status of being unconfirmed.

Third, whether the alleged birth certificate had been certified as a genuine account of the birth events or not, any birth certificate is prima facie evidence of the birth, except when new evidence in a court of law treats the document as a rebuttable presumption of the birth. Particularly when the document is absent proper certification of the birth event, the document’s authenticity is rebuttable in a court of law. If and when the document is evidenced to be a forgery, it is impeached as evidence of a birth.


159 posted on 01/18/2016 9:50:35 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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