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Iranian coup: A tale of two U.S. Navy vessels
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| January 17, 2016
| William Hamilton, J.D., Ph.D.
Posted on 01/17/2016 1:57:49 PM PST by Taxman
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To: mad_as_he$$
Technology has passed me by!
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posted on
01/18/2016 6:50:10 AM PST
by
Taxman
(H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.)
To: Taxman
Naw...You just took your eye off of it. GPS is very important to me so I stay up on it, that’s all.
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posted on
01/18/2016 6:57:53 AM PST
by
mad_as_he$$
(I think Hillary looks tired, don't you?)
To: Taxman
Ophonybama and John Effing Kerry may have cooked up this scheme to provide some âIranians are not all badâ publicity in advance of all the USA give-aways to Iran That was my first gut reaction.
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posted on
01/18/2016 7:05:30 AM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
To: bgill
“Congress should demand the Terrorist in Chief to stand trial for treason on many counts throughout the 7 years of dictatorship. But they will continue to do nothing.”
Whoop! There itis!
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posted on
01/18/2016 7:22:19 AM PST
by
Bigun
("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
To: Travis McGee
Travis, your explanation is reasonable and makes perfect sense to me. I do have one question though, how do you reconcile Rep. Gohmert's statement that either Ash Carter or Horseface, I don't recall which right now, (or maybe both of them?) called the Iranians up on the phone and told them that some of our sailors were broken down out at position wherever and would they mind going and picking them up?
(Or, possibly, at position x, headed toward Bahrain at however many, uh, knots, I believe it is? Please see tagline.)
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posted on
01/18/2016 7:26:44 AM PST
by
OKSooner
("Once you come to terms that Obama's not on America's side, everything he does makes sense.")
To: bgill
More’s the pity.
My vision is a SuperMax and orange jump suits for the lot of them!
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posted on
01/18/2016 7:39:26 AM PST
by
Taxman
(H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.)
To: Bigun
Congress won’t impeach him. Why isn’t anyone invoking the 25th Amendment and declaring him unfit? Ia there anyone in Washington who will defend the Constitution?
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posted on
01/18/2016 7:49:12 AM PST
by
austingirl
(Sharia, taqiyya, jihad, hijera- what more do you need to know about islam?)
To: austingirl
“Congress wonât impeach him. Why isnât anyone invoking the 25th Amendment and declaring him unfit? Ia there anyone in Washington who will defend the Constitution?”
Sadly the apparent answer to your question is no!
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posted on
01/18/2016 7:57:00 AM PST
by
Bigun
("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
To: Covenantor
Given the boats' presence in a number of videos about the 5th Fleet, and what the videos show, it is hard to imagine that the boats surrendered unless they were ordered to. Now that the official story has changed to remove the "boat didn't work" theory, it would be surprising to me if any large patrol boat was able to sneak up on them. Those boats, as small as they are, could outrun just about any larger patrol boat, or take enough evasive action to make the larger boat's weapons of uncertain utility.
And if you look at their live fire drill it seems really improbably that anybody in a Boston Whaler could successfully overwhelm them. One of the sailors says they train every couple of weeks, and they have an M2, M240, and M 134 gatling gun in operation. And gunner's positions have some armor. See them in action here
Of course the why of the surrender may never be known, whether it was some scheme concocted from above, or a need to create a diversion to allow some other operation to succeed.
To: Chode
to include a .50 caliber Gatling gun.. Minor detail, but the gatling gun shown in the Iranian video looks like the 7.62MM M134. I think the author of the article got it wrong, since videos from the 5th Fleet show the smaller gatling gun being used. See 5th Fleet Live Fire Drill
Needless to say taking on the smaller gatling gun from a Boston Whaler armed with one mounted 7.62 mm gun and some AK-47s would still be a life ending event. Particularly when you were also taking fire from the 50 caliber M2 and another 7.62mm M240 machine gun.
To: Travis McGee
thx
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posted on
01/18/2016 8:13:24 AM PST
by
Chode
(Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
To: freeandfreezing; Travis McGee
Just so...I have to believe Travis is closer to the truth...they were sacrificial lambs for Iranian photo-op to embarass USA.
The lack of tow line/s with two boats is pure BS.
Lack of fuel doesn’t work given known traveo distance. WWII PT boats and Vietnam riverine craft, all had extra fuel bbls for extended range as SOP.
Engine break down also specious given that allegedly both boats returned under their own power.
Both comms down?
So what’s left.
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posted on
01/18/2016 8:58:30 AM PST
by
Covenantor
(Men are ruled..e.by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern - Chesterton)
To: Carry_Okie
Took me a while to get there, but I eventually did.
The problem we all have is how do we channel our anger and disgust with this evil administration into something positive for America?
We are but Keyboard Kowboys until we cause something positive to happen!
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posted on
01/18/2016 9:00:34 AM PST
by
Taxman
(H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.)
To: mad_as_he$$
If GPS is so important to our warfighting capabilities, it seems to me that there MUST be a secure wartime GPS capability?
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posted on
01/18/2016 9:02:35 AM PST
by
Taxman
(H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.)
To: Travis McGee
The administration that cooked up Fast and Furious (300+ dead Mexicans on purpose) and didn't send a rescue force to Benghazi, is capable of joining the Iranians in a lie about piracy in int'l waters, to keep the almighty nuke deal on track.I'm not talking about our government or Iran's. I'm talking about the number of members of our military that you think must be in on the conspiracy.
To: freeandfreezing; Chode
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posted on
01/18/2016 9:10:17 AM PST
by
mad_as_he$$
(I think Hillary looks tired, don't you?)
To: DungeonMaster
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posted on
01/18/2016 9:11:04 AM PST
by
newgeezer
(It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
To: Taxman
They are still relatively secure but in the electronics world nothing is truly secure.
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posted on
01/18/2016 9:12:06 AM PST
by
mad_as_he$$
(I think Hillary looks tired, don't you?)
To: newgeezer
It is nearly impossible to believe anything positive about Iran but if it’s negative...
To: mad_as_he$$
lotta lead down range in a short time
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posted on
01/18/2016 9:25:18 AM PST
by
Chode
(Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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