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To: kvanbrunt2
Ted's father was NOT a naturalized American Citizen until 2005, which automatically denies Ted the NBC ! He's a citizen, but NOT eligible to run for the presidency and neither is Rubio, nor was Jindal and Haley can't be chosen for VEEP, because SHE isn't an NBC either.

And wee barry isn't one either and is pResident illegally!

84 posted on 01/16/2016 8:41:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

He’s a citizen, but NOT eligible to run for the presidency and neither is Rubio, nor was Jindal and Haley can’t be chosen for VEEP, because SHE isn’t an NBC either.

And wee barry isn’t one either and is pResident illegally!>>>>
thanks i thot his dad was naturalized at that point — that makes it more interesting. those others because i assume their parents where not citizens when they were born. I wish ther could be a more civil version of some of the cruz vtrump posts.


103 posted on 01/16/2016 9:02:57 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: nopardons
Ted's father was NOT a naturalized American Citizen until 2005, which automatically denies Ted the NBC ! He's a citizen, but NOT eligible to run for the presidency and neither is Rubio, nor was Jindal and Haley can't be chosen for VEEP, because SHE isn't an NBC either.

Correct nopardons, as I'm sure you know. The inventiveness of people who are being creative propagandists can discourage those looking for a little truth.

I had a hard time finding any of Cruz statements about citizenship that were true, and while Tribe is definitely liberal, he values his somewhat tarnished (Kagan had to cover for Tribe, one of whose books was full of plagiarism) reputation as a "scholar". Cruz certainly knows that the parents of someone born on sovereign soil need only be citizens. What did a lie do for him? It suggests that Cruz has little respect for the intelligence and knowledge of the electorate. Tribe corrected him, retroactively, in Tribe and Olson's letter to the SR 511 hearing in the Judiciary Committee.

Cruz cites, and must have read Wong Kim Ark, Wong Kim born on our soil to "domiciled" parents, not naturalized because China forbade its subjects repudiation of their citizenship. Wong Kim's first breath, Cruz's explanation for what law made him natural born, was on our soil. Wong Kim, in 1897 was declared a naturalized citizen, based upon the 14th Amendment. Cruz has lied about almost every Constitutional issue he comments upon, though that is probably because most of those questions involve eligibility.

Tribe has carefully avoided lying, just as his student and advisee Obama did, Obama has not claimed to be a natural born citizen. Tribe cited as reasoning for making McCain natural born, just as Mark Levin did, the 1790 Naturalization Act from the 1st Congress, not bothering to mention that it was entirely rescinded by Madison and Washington in 1795, with the phrase natural born citizen replaced by "citizen". The Tribe/Olson letter is what good attorneys often do, misdirect by omission and skillful argument, demonstrating mastery of our language. That is part of why Madison and the other framers kept definitions out of Constitution. The 1790 Naturalization Act is, after all, a naturalization act. Congress only has authority to modify its "Uniform Rules for Naturalization", Article 1 Section 8. Cruz has simply lied. He claims to be, or some claim that he is, a Constitutional scholar. He would not so misrepresent the law. He simply lies.

147 posted on 01/16/2016 9:59:31 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: nopardons
Ted's father was NOT a naturalized American Citizen until 2005, which automatically denies Ted the NBC ! He's a citizen, but NOT eligible to run for the presidency and neither is Rubio, nor was Jindal and Haley can't be chosen for VEEP, because SHE isn't an NBC either.

That is not correct in the least. Natural Born Citizen at the time of the Constitution being written would have meant born within the jurisdiction of the sovereign - the common law meaning at that term at the time. Rubio, Jindal, and Haley were all born on U.S. Soil to parents legally within the United States. There is no question at all they are Natural Born, American Citizens. This matter has also already been fully adjudicated by the Supreme Court as has been discussed on this forum numerous times. They even ruled someone born here while parents were on vacation and had no intent on staying was natural born and eligible to run for President because they were legally within the borders at that time...and certainly Haley, Rubio, and Jindal and their parents have much greater connections to the U.S. and being within its jurisdiction than the circumstances of that case. Now with Cruz, it would be statutory by "right of the blood" as declared in legislation passed by Congress in 1790...unless you are arguing Cruz is actually not a citizen yet at all or had to become one through a naturalization process as an immigrant to the U.S. - that does not appear to be the case.

171 posted on 01/16/2016 10:40:53 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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