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To: John Valentine

Well, I think the issue here is what the Constitution means by “natural born citizen.”

The proper way to interpret the Constitution is reading the text as is but if there is a reasonable question about the original meaning of the text, then you look to original understanding and intent.

Certainly there are questions about the meaning of “natural born citizen.” As I see it the argument boils down to whether “natural born citizen” in the Constitution meant at least one parent is a U.S. citizen and the child is born 1) on U.S. soil OR 2) on either U.S. or foreign soil.

From what I can tell, it has been very difficult to find the original understanding and intent of “natural born” to mean he must be born on U.S. soil.

If you can’t get there by a good-faith effort to find original understanding and intent, then you have to look to history to see how it has been interpreted over time.

I guess what makes sense to me is the example of a child of a U.S ambassador to a foreign country who is born in that foreign county. I would think that child would be considered a “natural born citizen.”


21 posted on 01/16/2016 5:37:29 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

“I guess what makes sense to me is the example of a child of a U.S ambassador to a foreign country who is born in that foreign county. I would think that child would be considered a “natural born citizen.”

Yes, but only because ancient law and the ancient law of England said the children of Royalty, diplomats, and others sojourning in the foreign domain of a foreign sovereign were under the protection of diplomatic immunity and therefore were not subject to the requirement of local allegiance to the foreign sovereign. They, instead, remained under the allegiance to their own sovereign, despite their presence in the foreign domain. Prior to the English Naturalization Act of 1541, common English subjects born or present in a foreign domain were subject to a temporary and local allegiance to the foreign sovereign as what is described as an alien in amity (an alien in friendship). Such a child was born an alien to England and was not accepted by England as an English subject or with a duty of allegiance to the English sovereign. The English Naturalization Act of 1541 changed that situation by granting persons born abroad in a foreign sovereignty certain but not all of the rights of an English subject, provided such conditions as having an English father were met. Nonetheless, such a person was still alien born and naturalized at birth in a way that would be regarded as a natural born subject in some but not all respects.


75 posted on 01/16/2016 6:30:53 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Jim 0216

citizen by birth is not equivalent to citizen at birth


106 posted on 01/16/2016 7:04:54 PM PST by Ray76
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