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Ted Cruz is not eligible to become president
Sacramento Bee ^ | 1/15/2016 | Tony Quinn

Posted on 01/16/2016 3:02:27 PM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel

Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz was born in Canada; he is not a "natural born citizen," and he is not eligible to be president.

And this is an issue that isn't going away, contrary to The Sacramento Bee's assertion, ("Trump's 'birther' lunacy, the sequel," Editorials, Jan. 7)

The Constitution is very precise: "No person except a natural born citizen ... shall be eligible to the office of President." The founders knew what they meant.

John Jay, later the first chief justice of the United States, wrote: "the commander in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born citizen." Later, one of the authors of the 14th Amendment, Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, wrote: "Who are natural born citizens but those born within the Republic?"

Congress has passed a statute that says if one of your parents is a U.S. citizen, you are an American citizen, too, no matter where you were born. Cruz's mother was born in Delaware. That makes him a "citizen" by statute, but not a "natural born citizen" within the meaning of the Constitution.

If both of Cruz's parents had been American-born, Cruz would have a stronger case. However, his father was born in Cuba.

Every other president and presidential candidate in our history was born either within the United States or one of its possessions. At no time ever was Calgary, Canada, where Cruz was born in 1970, a U.S. possession.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bfac; cruz; cruznoteligible; desperation; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; trump
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I'm not sure there are primaries in all 50 states. Plus, I am sure there are some parties who are only one or state ballots, and I think some of the big names are missing some states from their collections.

As to why they are allowed to muck up the debates, I think that is not really a conspiracy, but there is some string pulling to attempt to condition the public to believe that birth abroad is no big deal. Katayl/Clement, nearly all the "simple" articles, the uniformity of misleading by politicians, press, etc. Cruz had to know that a flim-flam was going to be perpetrated. He's just the point man.

I think the PTB resist putting eligibility checks on the states, because that makes it harder to perpetrate the flim-flam.

181 posted on 01/16/2016 5:56:04 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: WildHighlander57

when she was turning 21 she wrote to both the US and Canada governments and asked what would happen. She got the same answer from both. Her vote would decide it. Note, that she asked. Only her vote would decide it!


182 posted on 01/16/2016 6:06:18 PM PST by BillM (.)
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To: Cboldt
As to why they are allowed to muck up the debates, I think that is not really a conspiracy,

Well, if the powers that be wish to limit airtime exposure of the non-establishment candidates, that would be a Jim-dandy way to do it.

183 posted on 01/16/2016 6:07:08 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Cboldt

And thanks for your insight.


184 posted on 01/16/2016 6:08:01 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Because 1. That is not enough for some theories of natural born citizens and 2. The substance of the case is determined at trial, not when you file. They should not only file one on trump, they should then keep rescheduling to delay getting to court as long as possible so DJT keeps getting reminded he has an open case every time he tries to act like a case being filed matters for others


185 posted on 01/16/2016 6:10:14 PM PST by csivils
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To: fatima

A lawsuit was filed... Oh noes... You do know anyone could file the same suit on any candidate... And the results will be the same for all of them... Thrown out.


186 posted on 01/16/2016 6:14:21 PM PST by csivils
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To: BillM

In your sister’s example, she made inquiries. Some people don’t check, and thus don’t know.

Question is, even if Ted knew he had dual citizenship, how would he have found out he lost his Canadian citizenship by voting in a US election?

I’m in the US, and don’t remember if the voting registration info mentioned anything about it...


187 posted on 01/16/2016 6:14:49 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Enlightened1

Even if (wont happen) they found a judge willing to do that, it has to stand up during the appeal. But hey, I should take your word over someone who has won several cases before the Supreme Court...


188 posted on 01/16/2016 6:19:11 PM PST by csivils
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To: Parley Baer; BlackFemaleArmyCaptain; All

You repeatly post that your reading of the phrase "children of citizens" in the above 1790 statute means 2 USC parents are required. But you refuse to respond to my reply debunking that claim. I'll give you another chance:

Those who claim the plural "citizens" excludes children of only 1 citizen parent must also claim that the plural "children" excludes only 1 child of citizen parents!

Clearly an unsupportable reading of the statute.


189 posted on 01/16/2016 6:54:57 PM PST by drpix
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To: csivils

Well this has to be settled.The Supreme Court should settle it once and for all.It’s a distraction and also people are investing money in these candidates.


190 posted on 01/16/2016 7:00:39 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: drpix

That is all find and dandy. However the other section states that in order to hold the office of President or Vice President both parents need to be citizens on the United States. Ted’s father was not a citizen.


191 posted on 01/16/2016 8:08:53 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Las Vegas Ron
States via their Senators must certify their electors

What on Earth are you talking about?

Article II, clause 2: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector"

The US Federal government has NO ROLE WHATSOEVER in the appointment of Electors by the State Legislatures. NONE.

192 posted on 01/16/2016 8:52:45 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: Parley Baer

You forgot to underline the next part. Hahahaha. I have been studying the issue and Cruz is probably OK. However you know darn good and well the dimoKKKRATS are not going to let this thing go.


193 posted on 01/16/2016 8:54:08 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Cboldt
I'm not sure there are primaries in all 50 states

Political parties are private organizations, they can have 50 primaries or no primaries, the primaries can choose all delegates, some delegates, or no delegates, and the convention is the plenary body that does the nominating, that body makes its own rules on the first day and can nominate anybody.

194 posted on 01/16/2016 8:55:06 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: Ladysforest

US generally does not recognize dual citizenship, but still grants US citizenship if by some other operation of law, the person has claim to a second citizenship, as in this case.


195 posted on 01/16/2016 8:55:46 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: Jim Noble

Understood, all of that. We were discussing the breadth of candidate filings in states that have some sort of primary activity, that’s all, testing the idea of materially false statments being submitted to justify primary ballot access.


196 posted on 01/16/2016 8:57:46 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt; hoosiermama

Please Mr. Cbolt, enough of the personal attacks.

Bellini is moot as the issue of the case, as the Cruz’s fulfillment of the residency requirement is not an issue here.

By the way, old law school saw:

“When you have the case law on your side, pound on the law.

When you have the facts of the case on your side, pound on the facts.”

When you have neither the law nor the facts, pound on the table.”

Enough table pounding. As I have in the past, I’m simply ignoring your future posts. Have a good evening.


197 posted on 01/16/2016 9:03:59 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: windsorknot

Natural Born Turtle?


198 posted on 01/16/2016 9:07:23 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Get the CDS and TDS Vaccines before it's too late.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Why law to define:

A good question. Remember, “Natural Born” and “Native Born” are two distinct things.

Natural Born does not mean born in CONUS. I means a citizen naturally at birth. For example, think what would happen if the law required Native Born.

The child born to a US missionary overseas would not be a NBC. A child born prematurely to a tourist overseas would not be a NBC.

It would be very convoluted. Child born to wife of Navy officer born at Navy hospital overseas one condition re: NBC, but if born in a civilian hospital overseas another???

That’s why have a law defining.


199 posted on 01/16/2016 9:10:27 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: dontreadthis
Is this the best shot Cruz's opponents have?

My issue is who is best qualified to lead US in this time of our history, which if Hillary is elected, may well be the end of our history.

It's not Hillary and it's not TRump.

200 posted on 01/16/2016 9:16:07 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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