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To: John Valentine

You must have laws and monarchs to tell YOU what a Natural Born Citizen is...and I understand that...but, like the Founders, I reject the concept.

NATURALLY, a child born in the US to parents who are US citizens can have no real obligation to ANYONE except the US.

If there’s something complicating that fact...you do not have a Natural Born Citizen...period.

This is NATURAL LAW. It’s quite simple.


39 posted on 01/14/2016 7:13:24 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Maelstrom

I will post a more complete response in a few hours, but for now let me just say that you are off base. The class of citizens who are natural born citizens is not now and never has been as limited as you speculate. You are simply wrong and ill-informed.


40 posted on 01/14/2016 8:55:05 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Maelstrom
You must have laws and monarchs to tell YOU what a Natural Born Citizen is...and I understand that...but, like the Founders, I reject the concept.

In my words, "We cannot be held hostage to the whims and preferences of long dead kings and potentates". So forget "monarchs" and "potentates". In our country the people are sovereign, and I dare you to "reject the concept".

NATURALLY, a child born in the US to parents who are US citizens can have no real obligation to ANYONE except the US.

Maybe, maybe not. But such a person would be, under any set of criteria I know of, a natural born citizen. But no one is challenging the natural born status of such a person. It's not an issue.

If there's something complicating that fact...you do not have a Natural Born Citizen...period.

There are classes of person who are all natural born citizens who do not meet some of your criteria, fully under natural law. As I have explained. No need to do so yet again.

This is NATURAL LAW. It's quite simple. Whether or not it is simple is not relevant. What is relevant is that you have departed from and no longer understand or recognize true natural law, but only your peculiar sub-set of it.

Whether that is a result of a genuine lack of understanding, or whether it is a feigned misunderstanding because you cannot accept a position that might lend support to one person who poses a threat to another person in a political contest, I can't say.

42 posted on 01/15/2016 12:05:57 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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