Posted on 01/11/2016 6:52:52 PM PST by PJBankard
I have no problem with criticism/opinions of the scenario/question provided. However, I do notice that there are some that just attack or throw some alternative that alters the question rather than just answering the question posted.
This is the point I was making.
Is this the hill we are all going to die on?
Did the Founding Fathers ever expect to see a “Citizen of the World” like Obama elected to the office of President?
Our Constitution literally hangs in the balance and probably the only candidate in this election who can save it is someone like Cruz and yet these useful idiots are out there declaring that they will never vote for Cruz because of some question about his pedigree.
Cruz is eligible. If he gets the majority of the votes in the electoral college, then Congress will decide whether or not he is “eligible”. If they certify the election, then he is president whether you think he is eligible or not.
That being said, who else in this pack of clowns has a record of actually defending the constitution? Trump? LOL! I bet he hasn’t even read it.
It seems to be the prevailing notion, regarding presidential eligibility, that whoever the people and, more importantly, the political parties want to be president is, de facto, eligible. Worked for the democrats, should work for the republicans. Damn the Constitution! Give the people what they want. Or think they want.
Good one.
The NBC requirement existing within the Constitution since its ratification.
Your assumption that those that question his eligibility and/or Trump supporters will not vote for him in the general should he win the nomination. As I said before, I have no qualms voting for him in the general if he gets the nomination.
The NBC requirement existing within the Constitution since its ratification.
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I’m a “natural born citizen” since my mother was a citizen when I was born -— I was a citizen at birth.
However, I have a cousin who was born to a mother who was also a citizen but she is not a natural born citizen (because she was not born naturally — she was delivered by Caesarian section) but she was a citizen at birth and thus is eligible to be president -— if she lives until the age of 35.
Relying upon prior court decisions, I believe that questions, problems, doubts regarding natural born citizenship can be resolved, Minor v. Happersett says as much. I also believe a case can be made in Cruz’ favor in this regard. I don’t harbor any delusions that this won’t be used against him by Democrats though, none at all. Might sound strange, but the key might just be Raphael Cruz, imho. Can’t it be argued that he expatriated himself and threw off the claims of Cuba upon him? There goes any legitimate international claim of sovereignty over Ted Cruz from Cuba, if so. He’s renounced Canadian birthright citizenship. That would leave US citizenship as the sole jurisdiction with a legitimate claim upon him. Does it work that way? Maybe not, but I think it can.
Haha...So funny.
Cruz was a citizen at birth because his mother was a citizen. Technically, his father’s status had ZERO bearing on that citizenship status.
I feel the electing someone with real potential for litigation chaos over Constitutional issues would only further divide and jeopardize this country. And there are people out there who would like nothing more than both sides claiming legal legitimacy to the White House. I could see this actually happening.
You accept that citizenship at birth is synonymous with natural born citizenship. I don’t. There are a number of credible sources that point out the error of this assumption.
I'm curious to see a list of people that you claim have made that declaration. Them having declared it and all, I'd suppose you could provide the links to their declarations. I suspect they only exist in your imagination, but I'm willing to see if you can prove my suspicion wrong.
Not when cherry pickin’. All the experts also “forget” the 1790 Nat. Act was completely repealed and replaced. Ooops! Really? Good grief, people don’t know there is such a thing as google?
Moreover, PM, I don't trust his dad's reasons from then. His student days completed, the Vietnam War raging in 68 and 69, Bienvenido Cruz heads for Canada. Green carders were eligible for the draft and deferment could push the age up to 35. Where did dodgers go? Canada. He goes after citizenship the moment he gets there. Cruz is born in December of 70. The war ends in 75. What does Bienvenido do? Returns to the USA.
Obviously, the us was no place to start an oil software business. Gotta go to Canada for that.
His heart was not in being a us citizen or resident.
He would have flunked the first ‘provided father resident’ section of both laws that Washington signed.
I joined in 70 because my number might have been drawn. I can smell Vietnam era bullshit a mile away and Bienvenido has my radar on alert over this trip to Canada when it happened.
My uncle died there. I'll never forget Vietnam.
Technically, ALL OF THEM! Although proudly citizens of Virginia, etc., they were all born as subjects to (mostly the English) Kings.
Except ... he was a Canadian. I mean, who among us can say WHICH of his “birth” citizenships took precedence?
Anyway, he would have had to swear allegiance to the newly formed country on it’s formation to qualify under the grandfather terms. Because in the 1700s the mothers citizenship always mirrored the husbands. In the US.
Oh, and speaking of Draft Dodgers. Carter pardoned Bill; will Obama pardon Hillary?
And you are still wrong. Derivative citizenship through a mother was not granted until 1934. Until then, citizenship was granted through the father, including NBC. However you slice it, Cruz was not an NBC then and probably isnt now. Everyone loves to quote the 1790 Act but nobody understands the context of it.
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