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To: Happy Rain
-- Cruz's mother is a natural born citizen and thus so is Ted. --

The rules for transmittal of citizenship are different from that. It doesn't matter if Cruz's mother was NBC, only that she was a citizen at the time Cruz was born. It happens that she was an NBC (but even if she was naturalized, that would be enough), and it happens that she was a US citizen at the time Cruz was born. The statute that confers citizenship to children born abroad has one other condition, that the citizen parent have been resident in the US for five years. That condition is also satisfied.

Anyway, just nitpicking on the direct connection you drew. A mother could be an NBC, then naturalize in another country and renounce her US citizenship, then have a child in that other country. That child would be a citizen of the other country, even though the mother was born NBC to the US.

Cruz is a US citizen at birth, by operation of US statutory law, and a Canadian citizen at birth by operation of natural law as understood by both the US and Canada.

72 posted on 01/10/2016 6:46:24 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
The statute that confers citizenship to children born abroad has one other condition, that the citizen parent

Citizen parents.

Then there's original intent, never mind a statute.

82 posted on 01/10/2016 6:56:27 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Cboldt

Is it ever considered that “natural born” was / is a contrast to “naturalized”?

That is, a person who must go through the naturalization process can not be natural born.


88 posted on 01/10/2016 7:01:50 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Cboldt
The rules for transmittal of citizenship are different from that. It doesn't matter if Cruz's mother was NBC, only that she was a citizen at the time Cruz was born. It happens that she was an NBC (but even if she was naturalized, that would be enough), and it happens that she was a US citizen at the time Cruz was born. The statute that confers citizenship to children born abroad has one other condition, that the citizen parent have been resident in the US for five years. That condition is also satisfied.

It is derivative citizenship and not every US citzen mother can transmit citizenship to her child. There are statues that define the conditions where it obtains. And the statutes have now been revised to allow fathers to transmit citizenship.

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock

A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth. The child is considered to be born in wedlock for the purposes of citizenship acquisition when the genetic and/or gestational parents are legally married to each other at the time of the child’s birth and both parents are the legal parents of the child under local law at the time and place of birth.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father – “New” Section 309(a)

A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) of the INA, as made applicable by the “new” Section 309(a) of the INA provided:

A blood relationship between the person and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;

The father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the person’s birth;

The father was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth for five years, at least two of which were after reaching the age of 14.

The father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the person reaches the age of 18 years, and

While the person is under the age of 18 years --

the person is legitimated under the law of his/her residence or domicile,

the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or

the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father –

“Old” Section 309(a) of the INA- A child born out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under the former Section 301(a)(7) of the INA as made applicable by the “old” Section 309(a) of the INA if the U.S. citizen father, prior to the child’s birth, had been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for ten years, five of which were after the age of 14, and if the paternity of the child had been established by legitimation prior to the child reaching the age of 21. The “old” Section 309(a) of the INA is applicable to individuals who were 18 on November 14, 1986 and to individuals whose paternity had been established by legitimation prior to that date. Individuals who were at least 15 on November 14, 1986, but under the age of 18, could opt to have their claim determined in accordance with the provisions of either the “old” or the “new” Section 309(a).

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:

A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth. The U.S. citizen mother must be the genetic or the gestational mother and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

The issue of what the term "natural born citizen" as it pertains to the Presidency has never been litigated. It needs to be. We have 300,000 anchor babies born to illegal aliens annually; there are thousands of children born to tourists (birth tourism); and many thousands more born to green card holders. All of them are US citizens at birth through birthright citizenship. Are they eligible to be President?

114 posted on 01/10/2016 7:23:35 AM PST by kabar
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To: Cboldt
is a US citizen at birth, by operation of US statutory law

Yes, yes he is. But what statutory law bestows, statutory law can repeal.

A natural born citizen is born on the soil to two parents with US citizenship. No statutory law is required for citizenship and no statutory law can repeal it.

Only one public office requires "natural born" citizenship--and that is the President of the United States. Natural born removes dueling loyalties and guarantees the citizenship of the POTUS is beyond the reach of statutory repeal.

138 posted on 01/10/2016 7:43:20 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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