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To: Cboldt

If your logic and understanding is correct, then it also holds true that every Mexican bastard child born on US soil is in fact a automatic natural born citizen and qualifies for president. (which is the leftist view)

At no time, in my 65 years of life has there been one single moment where my understanding was that there are three degrees of citizenship.

Natural Born
Naturallized
Naturalized but foreign born (not requiring naturalization)


401 posted on 01/11/2016 6:42:42 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
-- If your logic and understanding is correct, then it also holds true that every Mexican bastard child born on US soil is in fact a automatic natural born citizen and qualifies for president. --

No, because citizenship of a person born in the US doesn't depend on any statute. The question there is under the 14th amendment and the meaning of "born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction. It's a different type of citizenship case, and Wong Kim ark (wrongly decided) says that "subject to the jurisdiction" amounts to "if you don't have immunity from prosecution, you are subject to the jurisdiction." Anyway, the classification of native-born persons is a different issue from the classification of foreign-born persons.

-- At no time, in my 65 years of life has there been one single moment where my understanding was that there are three degrees of citizenship. Natural Born -- Naturallized -- Naturalized but foreign born (not requiring naturalization) --

Any time the class of people that are "citizens" is broken into two groups, and one is "naturalized," the only sensible conclusion is that everybody not naturalized (gone through a procedure) is natural born. The conclusion is inevitable.

But in Rogers v. Bellei, the court breaks the class of citizens int those whose citizenship depends on a statute, vs. those who have citizen without a statute. That gives a different result.

405 posted on 01/11/2016 6:57:44 PM PST by Cboldt
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