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To: Mollypitcher1
"Naturalization has nothing to do with Natural Born citizen.

This is very likely a total waste of my time, but I will say it once, for the heck of it.

Naturalization has EVERYTHING to do with the Natural Born citizen argument that you are trying to offer.

The condensed and simple definition of a Natural Born Citizen of the US is the determination that the individual was required to go through the naturalization process.

If they did, they are NOT a Natural Born.

If they did not need to go through the process, then they ARE IN FACT a Natural Born Citizen.

End of argument.

180 posted on 01/10/2016 1:18:01 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

“End of argument.”

Totally wrong and contrary to the historical facts. Statutory authority for acquiring citizenship is a form of naturalization of a person born abroad to citizen parents, regardless of whatever bureaucratic requirements may or may not be involved. This was so before 1608 when the jurist Sir Edward Coke described the acquisition of English subjecthood (English nationality) at birth as a form of naturalization by datus or being made a subject at birth versus the opposite, natus or being born a subject at birth. The statutory law serves to “make” the child of the English father born abroad to be considered as a subject despite not actually being born a subject. The Constitution’s natural born citizen clause continued this legal practice of distinguishing between those persons who statutory law made to be considered as a citizen or a natural born citizen despite not actually being “natus” born a natural born citizen. The citizenship of persons born abroad with one or two U.S. citizen parents is still governed by the statutory naturalization laws of today, and be definition the Constitution has never been granted the Constitutional power to govern the acquisition of citizenship by a natural born citizen. In other words, a child born abroad with one or two citizen parents cannot be a natural born citizen, because the Constitution has never authorized the power to grant natural born citizenship. The constitution granted the Federal Government only the power to regulate a uniform system of naturalization. Since you cannot naturalize a natural born citizen, the statutes which authorize the making of a child born abroad a U.S. citizen can only fall under the authority to regulate naturalization of a person who is not a natural born citizen.


197 posted on 01/10/2016 2:47:46 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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