On Ted Cruz Eligibility . . .

Vanity | January 8, 2016 | Behind the Blue Wall

[Behind the Blue Wall]

Good question. I’m sure a 60 second perusal of his file would provide a conclusive answer.

[FreeReign]

Sure. I happen to believe that natural born citizen means citizen at birth, so really, it wouldn’t matter if they’d both defected years earlier to the Soviet Union and publicly renounced all ties to the U.S., Trump is a natural born citizen because he was born here.

Hold on a second. So you think anybody born on US soil is an NBC???

[AmericanVictory]

I doubt if the issue does wind up in court, calling the advocates of the position that Senator Cruz does not come under the eligibility clause “not jobs” will be an effective argument. Nor is it evidence of any real expertise on point.

[TexasCajun]

Should be posted in 'Crapola' !!

...been beat to death already!

[Behind the Blue Wall]

I really don’t know who is an NBC. I’d like to see a SCOTUS decision directly on point, or even a D.C. District Court judge. But I do know that the popular understanding of that clause is that it includes at a minimum those who were born on U.S. as U.S. citizens (and reserving the question of anchor babies for the debate about whether or not they are citizens at all, much less natural born citizens).

[thackney]

What file?

You think they were incompetent at issuing the Passport but kept good records?

[Behind the Blue Wall]

Where did I say that I think they were incompetent at issuing the Passport?

[Wissa]

How do you prove she did not do that? The only paperwork related to that would be if she did. Where is that?

I'd be satisfied with Ted Cruz answering the simple yes or no question... Did his mother apply for and become a Canadian citizen before he was born?

I'd prefer to get it straight from his mouth, and not from his spokesman. A year before he renounced his Canadian citizenship his spokeswoman was saying "To our knowledge, he never had Canadian citizenship."

[thackney]

Then what do you need to check?

[Behind the Blue Wall]

1. Because most people understand NBC to mean “born on U.S. soil as a U.S citizen” (putting aside anchor babies for the moment), so it wouldn’t matter if his parents were citizens at the time of his birth;
2. Because there’s no reason to think that his parents ever lived outside of the U.S., much less gave up their citizenship in the process of doing so, unlike Cruz, whose parents we know for a fact were living outside of the U.S. for years before and after the time of his birth;

[Mariner]

"How is that different from any birth certificate? "

It's not, but the paper trail is officially recorded and traceable. It then becomes possible that the parents status can be determined.

It's how those ancestry sites work, they are gradually converting all birth and death records...official records of many types into digital information.

[Behind the Blue Wall]

You do know that there are millions of people who are not by any argument natural born citizens holding U.S. passports, right?

[AFret.]

I’d be satisfied with Ted Cruz answering the simple yes or no question... Did his mother apply for and become a Canadian citizen before he was born?

I’d prefer to get it straight from his mouth, and not from his spokesman. A year before he renounced his Canadian citizenship his spokeswoman was saying “To our knowledge, he never had Canadian citizenship.”

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I am not sophisticated enough to “cut an paste” to FR, but...An interesting read can be found at Scribd.com/Cruz citizenship timeline. Pretty much lays out the chronology of events.

[Fantasywriter]

I went onto the thread to glean some info. When I come across comments like, “shut up you lying scrum,” it just underscores how unintentionally counterproductive candidates’ supporters can be.

[thackney]

I give up.

You have a great day.

God Bless.

[Behind the Blue Wall]

So reminiscent of how things went down with respect to Obama’s birth certificate . . .

[DiogenesLamp]

Since you didn’t mention the current law, here is where readers can go and educate themselves should they want to:

The current governing law is Title 8 section 1401. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

Citing current law is mis-educating them. The meaning of "natural citizen" is not subject to man-made law, it is a consequence of "natural law."

Claiming Statute law decides what is natural law is no different from a Transgender deciding he is a woman.

[Mariner]

"Where's you call for Trump to release all of his paperwork? "

Trump has released his Birth Certificate to the press.

[thackney]

I'd be satisfied with Ted Cruz answering the simple yes or no question... Did his mother apply for and become a Canadian citizen before he was born?

You would trust his answer to that one question, but not everything he has said so far?

[MamaTexan]

I'd like to see a SCOTUS decision directly on point, or even a D.C. District Court judge.

Why? Government has no authority over natural law, nor does the Constitution give it such authority. Do you seriously think at this day and age they would stick with Original Intent, or would it just be another tool in government's bag-o-tricks to erase our borders?

The only place the term natural born citizen has ever even been mentioned in a legislative act is the 1790 Naturalization Act, and they didn't even define it there. They just said children of citizens naturalized under the act that were born abroad were natural born citizens.

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Along with it's 3 exceptions, born in the country of citizen parents is the definition taught at the Texas high school I was attending while Cruz was being born in Canada.