Posted on 01/07/2016 1:51:32 PM PST by Mariner
Sorry spelling was so bad hope the gist of it made sense
I read in a linked article embedded in a thread on this forum that said his mother "took an oath of allegiance" to Canada before his birth. I wish I had saved what appeared to be a moderately credible source link.
I will look for it for a few mins then give up:)
But if she and dad both applied for Canadian citizenship and signed/swore an oath before he was born...I don't see how she could have conveyed Natural Born Citizenship under any reasonable definition. She definitely would not have been "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".
I don't think that's true.
I think the vast majority of people, Dim and GOP, would evaluate the paper trail on it's merits.
Well the Constitution of the USA does say only a Natural Born Citizen can be POTUS, so unless you want to trash the Constitution, when yes, Cruzs’ citizen status is something we sure look into.
Key word IF . no reputable source say like the Canadian gov’t.. has said she became a Canadian subject.
Questions arise about both parents. Accoding to Wiki, Cruz sr met his second wife, Ted’s mom in 1969 in New Orleans. Some time between then and Ted’s birth in Canada, they made the move. Assuming Ted’s mom was still a US citizen at the time, the question becomes how did Ted acquire Canadian citizenship? Wish he straightens the story out with proofs
Canada required then an application for Landed Immigrant to obtain a work permit and resident status. Back then, this wasn’t granted so swiftly but in any case it of itself would not have granted Canadian birth right citizenship to Ted.
The Landed Immigrant Status is the first step to Canadian citizenship which requires six years residency before applying for citizenship.
Wiki bio of Cruz Sr states that he returned to the USA in the mid 70’s. In the next sentence on Wiki it states that Sr renounced his Canadian citizenhip in 2005. So when and how did Sr and wife become Canadian citizens? At least one parent had to become a Canadian citizen or have applied for citizenship having completed the residency requirements. The published facts are hazy about that period of the Cruz’s life. Such as they are, it appears that at best, they managed to acquire Canadian citizenship and then quickly moved back to the USA.
This will be the point of attack: when and how did Ted acquire the Canadian citizenship which he renounced in 2014?
Did his mother renounce her US citizenship? And if so, when was that? And what was Cruz Sr. citizenship status at the time of the move to Canada and at the time of the return to USA.
His father’s bio is very vague on important facts and dates of that period.
Only because you were the first I saw to mention it on this thread. It was not really directed to you.
Cruz and his mother could clarify the matter if they'd release all the documents related to their citizenship over the years.
I am unaware of one I can cite, so I agree.
I think Canada, like the US, granted citizenship at the time merely on the basis of birth in their country.
But I’m not certain of that. I’ve heard that anchor baby citizenship is a rare thing that most countries don’t have.
So, it’s a good question you raise.
but no one on the planet will ever in a zillion years be able to know for sure what those guys meant by that.....so it’s an exercise in futility.
I don’t do futile. You major in it.
You missed my point I think (my fault)
I was simply calling hypocrisy on anybody that was so invested into Trump, that they were going to Argue something against Cruz that they would not have even considered a year ago.
Was not saying that the repeating of this hypocrisy over and over could not hurt Cruz
Hope that makes it clearer
Without question, Ted Cruz was a Canadian Citizen at birth.
But, he needs to provide the paper trail that proves he is a Natural Born Citizen, because the question has been asked prominently, and it's been asked in the immediate past concerning other candidates.
In general, everyone born in Canada from 1947 or later acquires Canadian citizenship at birth. In one 2008 case, a girl born to a Ugandan mother aboard a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Boston was deemed a Canadian citizen for customs purposes because she was born over Canada's airspace.[7]
It isn’t Trump’s eligibility that’s being questioned.
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Exactly! This is part of the vetting process. Cruz needs to produce the correct documents.
See #194
So, the issue is still his mother. She lived in Canada 8 years, I believe, and helped run a business. Did she ever take any steps toward Canadian citizenship?
I’ve not found anything credible yet that says that she, specifically, received Canadian citizenship. There’s the statement of the father recounting his past in which he says “I received Canadian citizenship.” There isn’t any fair way to stretch that to cover Cruz’s mother. A “we” would do that, but not an “I”.
We would have to find evidence that some substantial step had been taken by her. I haven’t found such evidence yet.
Since the answer is a simple yes or no, I'd be satisfied if Ted Cruz would answer the question directly as to whether his mother had become a Canadian citizen before he was born.
I don't believe that he'd outright lie about it.
Birthers are morons. How’d it work out with Obama?
I am pretty sure we still can understand the meaning of documents written in the 1780s. But I understand why you think that the US Constitution is no longer the law of the land, since the US Constitution stands between Cruz and the presidency of the USA. I proudly stand with the Constitution of the USA which I swore to defend years ago. Cruz is not a Natural Born Citizen of the USA, Canada maybe, USA definitely not.
Or renounced US citizenship for any reason.
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