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To: Wpin
So you think these people will end up martyrs for 'the cause'?

Well, they are going about the first part the right way, but there is a problem.

Sure, people know the government is corrupt and overbearing. Obamacare definitely brought that home to most Americans who aren't getting it free.

But do you really think a mass media incapable of understanding viscerally the wrong done to the Hammonds are going to in any way present the actions of this group in a favorable light?

Instead, the propaganda will go against gun owners, Christians, private property rights advocates, and rural folks in general.

The city folks who are the media can't present an issue they can't comprehend, even if they were not such socialists they don't believe in property rights anyway.

It isn't going to play out well.

It is going to feed the propaganda machine and that will be used not to gain support for the movement, but to quash it, and other unalienable rights besides.

You also underestimate the evil of your government, this is no longer America Smokin’ Joe...

No, I don't underestimate the evil in this government, and understanding it only puts one into 'tinfoil hat' territory.

Neither party is going to save it, they are both corrupted beyond repair.

Neither the Communists nor the corrupted, compromised, shade of the Republican Party will, I agree. But there is a deeper problem. Who elected those people?

Until that electorate is aware of the monster it has created, it won't embrace a return to the values which made this nation great.

For those of us in flyover country, in rural areas there is a completely different perception of what the urban dwellers see as the big, friendly lapdog who provides jobs, lucrative contracts, steady work, retirement benefits, or welfare, and cleans the streets and takes out the trash and protects them from criminals.

In the rural areas, we see instead of that loveable mutt, a ravening wolf, out to seize our land, stop our industry, let timber rot on the stump, come to eat our substance, unless you get farm subsidies or a monthly check.

We depend on ourselves to plow the road, take care of the trash, pump the well, grow food, and a host of other things urban dwellers either don't care to or know how to do--and they are afraid of that.

I read here how people subject themselves to the petty tyranny of a HOA, and they bray about freedom.

Yeah, I 'get it'.

But I still don't see how this standoff, armed, at this time, in this place will advance the cause of freedom one bit. Instead, I expect the Federal hammers will see a nail and hit it with overwhelming force, justified in the media by the fact these people are armed, and further used as a reason to push for the disarmament of the rest of us dangerous hicks.

YMMV.

61 posted on 01/04/2016 7:06:30 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I do not think they will be martyrs...that is what the government does NOT want and especially if several hundred patriots go there will most likely not happen. It will defuse itself but the government knows there are folks out there ready to take them on. You seem to think that as long as we do nothing everything will be okay...it will not! Evil never stops, it keeps attacking until the good is defeated. Your assumptions just are out of place here.

You seem way overly concerned with how the left will perceive conservatives. You do not seem to understand they already hate us...have for decades. That is what has brought us to the place we are today. Doing nothing is not an option that will result in victory. Besides these patriots are making very clear that they are not there for violence, but as a peaceful protest. Maybe you should spend your time on the internet comparing this peaceful protest to St Louis and Baltimore...do something worthwhile for freedom.


64 posted on 01/04/2016 7:13:10 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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