On January 4, 2016, Obama will meet with Attorney General Loretta Lynch to finalize the executive gun controls expected to be announced next week.
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Thanks, Laz.
Posted on 01/03/2016 9:31:09 AM PST by Lazamataz
In the last day or so, a very dangerous situation has emerged in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, near the town of Burns, Oregon. Ammon Bundy and about a dozen men, armed with firearms, have occupied a closed Federal building on that property. The local Sheriff has backed down, and there are rumors of Special Response Teams staging nearby.
This building is a smallish, very isolated building in the middle of a large National Refuge. Someone posted on a thread under a Guardian news article about this, "I'm in Oregon. These guys took over a headquarters building but it's kinda like an old brick house your grandma would live in and it's at least 50 miles from nowhere. You guys have a good time."
I do not intend to explore the minutia behind the case. That is a matter for courts. I do intend to explore the responses to this that we should take, and those we should not take.
I had a chance to hear a CNN interview with Ammon Bundy. At best, his narrative can only be described as incoherent. The CNN host, remarkably constrained in his questioning, asked what the government could do to unravel this. After a lot of "um's" and "uh's", the best Ammon could come up with was, "The government needs to start following the Constitution." The host wanted a more definitive answer, and Bundy had nothing. Simply put, this guy is the perfect foil for a police-state government move.
We all agree. The Federal government does need to start following the Constitution. This is a fight for the court system, and if there is no relief there -- AND it happens to more than a handful of us -- THEN other more drastic measures can be considered. The key is the universality of violation. The cases of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Bundy Ranch -- while all eregious -- are spread apart by years and have happened to the tiniest percentage of people. The proper response to these actions are judicial in nature. Take these things all the way up to the Supreme Court. These venues NEED to be fully-explored, first.
If, however, this sort of government abuse begins to happen in greater and greater numbers, there comes a time when there is a tipping point. When OTrauma just starts going full-Stalin, we must react, or die on our knees.
I don't think we are there yet, notice how delicately he's treading on his gun control Executive Order tomorrow. It's basically a tiny measure -- purported to be background checks if the seller sells 25 guns a year -- and he had his people research it for months before deciding to proceed.
There comes a time he won't be so careful or delicate. That's when we know the balloon went up. Either that, or if we ever awake to find that the electric or communications grid is down. Those are proper signs that something srastic must be undertaken.
If the Feds undertake an attacking action, and lose anyone, this will be the chance for OTrauma to actually impose some Stalinist directives. Anything from a declaration of a National Emergency to martial law could be reasonably taken, and the masses of people would go right along with it. See, the masses of people need to feel the boot before they will join. There must be more support by the general population before we can move. There are also several ways to conduct ourselves. One is more direct action, but another seems to be effective as well. Look at Czechoslovakia for how a successful 'velvet revolution' can occur, or how the 'Arab Spring' caused (admittedly harmful, in this instance) change. Anything where we are the vast minority, and a Fed-supportive populace is the vast majority, is simply a death sentence for more of our liberties, and perhaps even a death sentence for we who believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
This particular set of actions by Ammon Bundy are just unwise. One actually wonders if he wasn't emboldened or encouraged to act recklessly by agents of the administration, embedded in his group.
I call upon Ammon Bundy to stand down, and work the court system -- all the way up to SCOTUS -- at this time. I plead for all patriotic-minded individuals to stay away from this situation.
Peashooter? Obviously you don’t know me at all.
“No never try to take on the Federal Govt unless you have the moral high ground and the support of the local community.”
The Federal government has permanently forfeited its moral high ground. The key is to convince the public of this fact and not lose our resolve.
Let’s take a page from the Black community in general. They do a lot of stupid things and support some dubious causes, but you have to admit that they stick together and that gives them strength and protection.
On January 4, 2016, Obama will meet with Attorney General Loretta Lynch to finalize the executive gun controls expected to be announced next week.
Check out article.
Thanks, Laz.
Bundy ranch was a pure event as was hone pine mine. Oathkeepers showed up and since they had the moral high ground and the govt was acting illegally they had to back down.
This is a different situation. I dont think you understand the philosophy of civil disobedience.
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I wonder what Samuel Adams and the original Tea Partyiers would think about this. The BLM and EPA are instituting Agenda 21’s Stack and Pack ideology AT THIS TIME. The Fed and State Governments OWN enormous blocks of each and every state. As far as I can see, this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, but it is part and parcel of The UN’s Agenda 21 push for “Sustainable living.†New World Order, anyone???????????????
Yes, Agenda 21 is the new bible, better get used to it...
Following on Twitter, it was amazing how quickly the meme of "white men or white terrorists" was quickly being repeated. Strange because this really isn't about race on any level. Though, every second tweet refers to the whiteness of these guys.
I’m contrarian. Why must we wait for all to be subjugated? Wait until resistance is no longer possible before resisting? Waco & Ruby Ridge SHOULD have been enough, yet “cooler” (more timid) voices prevailed. The theory that we must wait for the one big event that destroys all of our rights to begin asserting our rights is utter foolishness. By the time the sunny day patriot arises, there will be nothing left to defend.
I don’t have any idea what these men hope to accomplish by their actions, but I admire them for having taken any action at all in support of limiting government tyranny. (Even if this isn’t)
Saying that this action plays into Obama’s hands is exactly the same argument that not submitting to Islam is what causes Islamic terrorism.
$.02
As I just pointed out the local community is not supporting this action.
Amen!
Isn’t the timing of this just a wee bit too convenient for Obama?
Can this be a sort of False Flag event?
Did the feds somehow instigate or provide the catalyst for this to happen now?
Remember the old adage:
“I might be a paranoid but that doesn’t mean they aren’t really after me.”
No. We had the same types of people painting Cliven as a racist nut and not the “hill to die on”.
Just like now. Saying otherwise is both ignorant AND stupid.
The Bolsheviks were economic cretins and malicious, but they knew a thing or two about successful revolution. Probably their brightest, Leon Trotsky once said wrote something to the effect that revolutions are doomed to failure, until conditions make them inevitable. We are not there yet. Not by a long shot.
I agree with Laz that this whole thing stinks of agents provocateur. Read up on the Okhrana sometime. They were the Tsar’s secret police, and churned up trouble in order, they claimed, to flush out subversives. As a byproduct, they perpetuated their existence and oh yeah, their paychecks. They are the ones who created the Protocols of Zion. They ended up being the main suppliers of illicit weapons, explosives, and training to subversives. That is the kind of thing brain-dead, dead soul, Statist operatives do. We are burdened with an abundance of such drones. This thing stinks of such an operation, and I am sure the feds have been slavering for the opportunity for payback on the not-too-smart Bundy family.
Unfortunately, the Bundys took the bait. Conservatives should heed carefully the coincidence in time with this farce, and this degenerate president’s assault on the 2d Amendment. We see thinly veiled administration trolls here all the time. Do not doubt that they put their best efforts into suborning the Bundys with foolish aspirations.
That part I don’t understand at all.
Eliminate PC (no, I don't know how to accomplish that)
Do away with Common Core
Bring thugs into the negotiations
Those three elements alone comprise about 60% of our entire political landscape
Tg on the IRS and the EPA and we are building factories, making widgets the American way, lunch whistles and legitimate 8 hr days with happy, middle class families vacationing every year ...
Happy Days
. Unfortunately, cranks rule...or at least provide good news items. I hope this calms down, but the other thing with cranks is that they are major egotists and don’t give a darn about what happens to their families, their sympathizers or even their country.
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“We mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.” Words of the first group of “Cranks” in America’s history.
Maybe. Used to encounter them once in a while hunting, they seemed like decent guys keeping the hunters and campers honest. Now I see them as probably corrupt law dogs enforcing Agenda21.
don’t want to either. if you feel that strongly, get your arse up there then.
It sounds strange to me, too. It appears, though, the judge who ruled the original sentence didn’t comply with federal law about the minimum 5 year sentence. Then, an appeals court judge threw that sentence out, and imposed the longer prison term. It’s still unclear to me.
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