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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I have already anticipated most of your remarks in a reply to you on another thread to which you initially referred and which I quote below.

I ask, since Cruz and Trump are now virtually indistinguishable in their current policy respecting immigration/amnesty/citizenship, why all the drama? I ask, why is it so significant that Cruz has been economical with the truth, if he has , respecting his intentions concerning amnesty as opposed to citizenship? Why is this when applied to Cruz so damning when we have a biography of ideological flip-flops by Donald Trump that stagger the imagination?

Why are Donald Trump's recently acquired intentions which conform to conservatism the end of the subject but Ted Cruz's peccadillo about the meaning of his fight to kill that hated Gang of Eight bill so damning?

Here is that reply:

On Immigration, Cruz Aims for Middle Ground

12/17/2015, 5:26:39 AM · 37 of 58

nathanbedford to Greetings_Puny_Humans

Cruz has recently moved to a position very close to Trump on removing illegal immigrants in our midst. He follows the Romney pattern of self deportation combined with vigorous enforcement of deportation laws, prohibition of sanctuary cities, cutting off benefits, tightening up the border, and the apparent elimination of H1B visas and other provisions which facilitate widespread immigration.

Cruz defends his position on not calling for the deportation of illegal immigrants at the time of the struggle over the Gang of Eight amnesty/ citizenship bill, as a legislative maneuver. I have no doubt it was a legislative maneuver but Cruz had also made remarks to the effect that there should be a way for illegals to "come out of the shadows" etc. I think Cruz has changed his views to a point where he is rock solid today on immigrants in our midst.

I think Cruz has been less than honest in denying that he was favoring a kind of amnesty back at that time when that was a major victory because the political climate was calling for citizenship. As a matter of political calculation, Cruz tried to have the issue both ways. After all, there is a dimension beyond the economic cost of illegal immigrants, it is their ability to vote once they attain citizenship (and sanctuary states the ability to vote illegally). Given the political culture at the time, Cruz and Sessions behaved the way legislators have fought since time immemorial.

Trump's intervention concededly changed the entire debate so that deportation of illegals became an acceptable and achievable goal beyond denying citizenship. Trump changed the political climate and Cruz changed his position. I would be more comfortable if Cruz simply said so rather than tap dancing.

On balance, one can way the number and degree of flip-flops committed by Donald Trump in his biography against these questionable allegations now being dredged up against Cruz and there is really no equivalence, Trump's whole biography is a gigantic ego trip of flip-flops.


20 posted on 12/17/2015 8:01:12 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
" Trump's whole biography is a gigantic ego trip of flip-flops."

Yet I was told yesterday "At least Trump has never flip-flopped like Cruz".

With some of these people, reasoning won't work, because they have taken complete leave of reality.

111 posted on 12/18/2015 5:22:44 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz))
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