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Was it ISIS?
US Defense Watch ^ | December 2, 2015 | Ray Starmann

Posted on 12/02/2015 9:22:04 PM PST by pboyington

Today, America was struck by another mass shooting. But, this one was different. At least two armed shooters entered the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, and opened fire on people attending a Christmas party there. The shooters were armed with AR-15’s, dressed in military gear and wore masks. Before the shooting was finished, 14 people were dead and another 18 wounded. An explosive device was also left in the center by the shooters.

Reports of the attackers fleeing in a black SUV inundated the media this afternoon, culminating in a shootout with a man and woman inside the vehicle who died in a hail of gunfire, on San Bernardino’s Tippecanoe Avenue. As the police cleared the vehicle of bodies and potential explosives, another suspect was in custody and as of now, another suspect is on the loose.

Meanwhile, the FBI, which has taken over the investigation, is raiding the home of one of the suspects, identified as Syed Farook, a health inspector with San Bernardino County. As of now, the FBI is attempting to disarm an explosive device at Farook’s home. The media is also reporting that a female suspect is Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a citizen of Qatar.

Immediately, speculation began concerning the motivations and actions of the shooters. At first, it was believed that there was only one shooter and that it may have been a workplace violence incident. Then there were reports of two or three shooters wearing military gear and carrying semi-automatic rifles. The idea of domestic terrorism was largely thrown out after the site was identified as a county building. As police arrived to the scene, the shooters were gone and on the move. While time ticked by, speculation grew to where they could possibly have gone: east to Vegas, west to Los Angeles, south to Mexico; the choices were endless.

Yet, they were only a mile from the scene of the shooting and reportedly went back to Farook’s apartment. Meaning…that they probably intended to stay and shoot it out and go down with the ship, when they could have easily had a two hour jump on the police and federal authorities. It is also possible they stayed in San Bernardino to conduct another attack, which for one reason or another was called off.

Rumors abounded of someone going to the center, arguing with an employee then returning with two other shooters and enough military gear to outfit BA Baracus and the A-Team.

While that is theoretically possible, what does add up is that this could be terrorism.

Here are some of the reasons today’s attack might be the work of an ISIS cell:

One of the dead shooters has been identified as Syed Farook. Neighbors have reported seeing three or four other Middle Eastern men living in Farook’s apartment lately. Neighbors also report that a multitude of packages were constantly arriving at Farook’s place. The three or four guys living with Farook were also reported to have been spending some late nights in a garage.

The female suspect is a national of Qatar.

The FBI has taken over the investigation.

The victims at the Inland Regional Center were numerous, soft terrorist targets. It fits the modus operandi of ISIS to kill a large number of people in a public area.

A pipe bomb was found in the center, a classic Middle Eastern terror weapon. Also bits and pieces of future explosive devices were found in the bullet riddled SUV.

The shooters competently returned fire from a moving vehicle, a tactic that takes experience to learn. This is a tactic that is taught to professionals like FBI and Secret Service agents and undoubtedly to the bad guys as well.

This appears to be a highly coordinated, precision operation from the first moment, perhaps to the last. While the shootout looked like a last minute desperate act by the shooters, it may have been their plan from the beginning to fight it out with the police.

There is a remote chance of today’s actions having another motivation, but everything seems to point to ISIS or another radical Islamic group.

If it is ISIS or radical Islam, what is our Climate Commander-in-Chief going to do now? Will he finally say the words “radical Islam?” Will he finally take the worldwide threat of ISIS seriously?

Within an hour of hearing about the shooting, he was back to beating the gun control drum.

When is the President of the United States going to come on board and lead the charge against radical Islamic terrorism?

Will President Obama ever understand the threat to his nation from ISIS?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: california; fbi; isis; obama; syedfarook
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1 posted on 12/02/2015 9:22:04 PM PST by pboyington
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To: pboyington
Tayyeep Bin Ardogan,

My sources tell me this naming is a HOAX. Caution, folks. Wait a while.

Remember the president of Turkey is "Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan". Adding "bin" like bin laden? HOAX.

2 posted on 12/02/2015 9:24:39 PM PST by montag813
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I thought they were armed with AK-74s?

Now it's AR-15s? America's favorite rifle?

Is that part of the gun control putsch or is the information correct?

3 posted on 12/02/2015 9:25:00 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: pboyington

it’s a fantastic song by bob Dylan and redone by the white stripes (and many others) about a woman named isis- The song is in reference to Dylan’s wife who left him


4 posted on 12/02/2015 9:25:31 PM PST by Bob434
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To: pboyington

That it was Islamic Jihad (for whatever reason) makes it close enough to ISIS to make it suitable for retribution.


5 posted on 12/02/2015 9:28:48 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: pboyington

“When is the President of the United States going to come on board and lead the charge against radical Islamic terrorism?”

“Will President Obama ever understand the threat to his nation from ISIS?”

Isn’t going to happen. Strong the Islam is in him. He’s the inside man.


6 posted on 12/02/2015 9:29:00 PM PST by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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"An explosive device was also left in the center by the shooters."

Must have been a gun show loophole, or a straw man buyer. Or maybe the Government should outlaw explosive devices.

7 posted on 12/02/2015 9:30:23 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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How many Pearl Harbors must we endure?


8 posted on 12/02/2015 9:33:22 PM PST by gasport (Immigration reform means arriving in air-conditioned comfort.)
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Getting wrapped around the axle as to whether or not it was “ISIS” is a fools parlor game.
That’s like being a Russian citizen and wondering if your village is being burned by the SS, the Wehrmacht, Romanians, or a German reserve police battalion.

At best, the differences are academic.

It was damn renegade moslems. That’s all I need to know.


9 posted on 12/02/2015 9:35:00 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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This’ll make the refugee debate a bit more interesting.


10 posted on 12/02/2015 9:37:16 PM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat.)
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“A pipe bomb was found in the center, a classic Middle Eastern terror weapon. “

The police scanner said EOD was disposing of 3 devices


11 posted on 12/02/2015 9:39:10 PM PST by Lera (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
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To: DesertRhino
It was damn renegade moslems

It was damn devote moslems

12 posted on 12/02/2015 9:41:27 PM PST by gasport (Immigration reform means arriving in air-conditioned comfort.)
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To: DesertRhino

Getting wrapped around the axle as to whether or not it was “ISIS” is a fools parlor game.
That’s like being a Russian citizen and wondering if your village is being burned by the SS, the Wehrmacht, Romanians, or a German reserve police battalion.

At best, the differences are academic.


Well said


13 posted on 12/02/2015 9:42:09 PM PST by volunbeer
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To: pboyington

“When is the President of the United States going to come on board and lead the charge against radical Islamic terrorism?”

He’s not . He comes out saying it is a gun problem because most people have short memories and don’t look for answers once they hear it was guns . Which is also the reason you always hear the left scream it was a right wing terrorist after each one of these incidents .


14 posted on 12/02/2015 9:42:13 PM PST by Lera (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
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To: gasport

devout


15 posted on 12/02/2015 9:43:24 PM PST by gasport (Immigration reform means arriving in air-conditioned comfort.)
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To: montag813
Remember the president of Turkey is "Recep Tayyip Erdoğan".

Guilty of a recent war crime. Hopefully, GRU has a suitable response in the works.

16 posted on 12/02/2015 9:43:49 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: pboyington

ISIS, Al Qaida, Boka Haram, Al-Nusra, radica Islam, radical Jihadists, what is the difference?


17 posted on 12/02/2015 9:46:44 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: pboyington

He understands the threat, no doubt about it.


18 posted on 12/02/2015 9:47:13 PM PST by Calpublican (B.O. stinks--not an elegant sentiment, but heartfelt nonetheless.)
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To: gasport
It was damn devote devout moslems

That is a critical point.

There are good Moslems and there are moderate Moslems. But there are no good, moderate Moslems.

Any Mooselimb who understands his religion correctly and accepts it, is a rabid dog who must be killed.

19 posted on 12/02/2015 9:50:28 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: montag813

Bin means ‘son of’, while binti means ‘daughter of’. The slut’s name could not be Tayyeep bin Ardogan, rather Tayyeep binti Ardogan.


20 posted on 12/02/2015 10:07:16 PM PST by punchamullah
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