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To: ifinnegan

I didn’t see any claptrap, and since when is a group of doctors discussing vaccine efficacy “liberal pseudo science global warming like idiocy”?

Over the last 4 consecutive flu seasons what the medical community agreed would be the most likely active variant was in fact NOT correct. They guessed wrong.

I have to get a flu shot every year as a condition of employment. I ALWAYS get it in the middle of my last shift (I work 4 on 4 off) before *MY* long weekend, because I can’t move my arm or mentally focus on anything for 3 full days afterwards. This year’s injection took me out for 5 days, and my arm is still pretty sore today, 7 days after getting back to work.

What this article and the series of comments following is discussing is the addition of an adjunct (irritant/immune system supercharger, if you will) that has NOT been shown to increase the effectiveness of the vaccine, which in and of itself has NOT been shown to help those it is claimed to be targetting.

In plain English: the flu shot is yet another big lie.


10 posted on 11/25/2015 9:20:46 AM PST by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Don W

adjuvant. my oops.


11 posted on 11/25/2015 9:23:07 AM PST by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Don W

“In plain English: the flu shot is yet another big lie.”

You have no idea that the flu shot is a “big lie”.

I feel you and the antivaxxers use emotional means to spread irrational thought and disinformation.

My opinion is yearly flu shot is not necessary and I never have ever gotten one.

I may actually be more in agreement that they are a “big lie” than they are useful. Yet I maintain objectivity and rationalism and avoid hysteria.

All the marks of the liberal mind are found in the antivax movement and the antivaxxers movement has come out of the left liberal side with all the same world views of evil corporations and capitalists and mistrust of western science and worldview.

As far as this adjuvant and discussion on squalene see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1563566/


13 posted on 11/25/2015 9:35:01 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Don W; ifinnegan; catnipman; All

I Greatly appreciate this post.
I have adult kids who are subject to mandatory flu shots which they hate, due to allegic reactions they get.
This is very helpful information.
Stay an informed critical thinker!


14 posted on 11/25/2015 9:37:24 AM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Don W

Don hen teaching I would get the shot and have a similar reaction. Now I’m getting shots through the local pharmacy The pharmacist said the reaction was because of a latex intollerence. Now that they give me the non latex shot I have absolutely no problems. Pharmacies are required to keep both types on hand


19 posted on 11/25/2015 10:34:29 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Don W
Over the last 4 consecutive flu seasons what the medical community agreed would be the most likely active variant was in fact NOT correct. They guessed wrong.

The H3N2 component of the flu vaccine last year was not very effective (less than 50%) because the circulating strain was changing (mutating) rapidly last year. At the beginning of the flu season, it was more effective than at the end, when the virus had changed significantly. The other components, the H1N1 and influenza B, worked well.

This year, the H3N2 component has been reformulated. Indications are that it is a fairly good match for the circulating virus, although this early in the season, it is difficult to find published efficacy measurements.

Even if the vaccine does not fully protect you from the flu, it can still provide partial protection, which prevents the flu from being as severe as it might otherwise be. This decrease in severity can mean the difference between life and death.

Between 30,000 and 50,000 people die of flu every year.

I receive influenza vaccine every year; my employer requires it. I have never, as far as I know, had the flu.

31 posted on 11/27/2015 7:14:40 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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