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To: achilles2000

You really are an open borders kind of guy, aren’t you? National sovereignty-shmovereignty. If you don’t object to military aircraft violating a nation’s borders you certainly wouldn’t object to a nation’s ground forces violating them, would you? What’s the difference? They are just troops passing through. Perhaps a few Russian tank divisions passing through Poland to get some towel heads in the Ukraine? Maybe they stop for a short breather while in Poland. And never leave.

Obama and Congress, representing the United States have supported radical Islamists at every opportunity. Surely, I don’t have have to provide you an exhaustive list of examples. Therefore, we can just let any old country take whatever measures necessary to stop us. On U.S. soil. Correct?

You don’t like the Turks. I get it. I don’t either. I also don’t like the Russians. Do I care if Russia bombs the crap out of Turks supporting ISIS? Nope. Do I care if Turkey shoots down Russian planes over Turkey? Nope.


58 posted on 11/24/2015 11:48:31 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: FerociousRabbit

“Defending” borders doesn’t mean that you shoot down planes that are no threat at all, unless you think the KAL 007 murders were a righteous action by Breshnev’s Soviet UNion. I am a “closed” border kind of guy, and I would deport every last illegal. But, I’m not going to shoot illegals coming across the border that are doing nothing more than coming across the border. In fact, illegals are vastly more of a threat to us than those 2 pilots were to Turkey. At least the Russians weren’t going to use Turkey’s public services, etc. I would add that there is some dispute as to whether the plane actually was over Turkish territory, or over Syrian territory that Turkey claims. The crash was 4 km from the border, so I would say that the Turkish claims perhaps should be taken at face value. But even if the pilots were over Turkish territory for a few moments, there is no civilized justification for trying to kill them - although I understand that the Turks’ jihadi friends took care of it for them. Perhaps you think if a unit of the RMCP gets lost and crosses the border while pursuing a criminal we should shoot them or shoot down Canadian planes that stray momentarily into our airspace.


59 posted on 11/24/2015 3:16:10 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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