[Mr Radical]

I know, but this is not quite the same as wargames over the North Sea.
I know a lot on here probably think I'm a Putinist, but I'm not. I look on at the suffering that has been caused in Syria by this attempt to overthrow Assad - can anyone really be in any doubt that behind this is an un-holy alliance of Erdogan, the Saudi royals, and Obama? - and I know who frightens me the most right now.

[ReaganGeneration2]

Apparently the Turkish army released a radar path of the jet showing it crossed a small sliver of Turkey. But how did anyone have time to send the warnings that Turkey said they sent?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/turkish-f-16-shoots-down-russian-su-24-warplane-near-syria-border. (amazing photos)