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To: HamiltonJay

You sound like a GOPe establishment hack. Real conservatives will never pick a candidate based on how much the left likes them. We will pick the candidate that is the most conservative and if that candidate also pisses off the left more than any other, that’s a bonus.


48 posted on 11/23/2015 11:17:39 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

Please, stop with the name calling, I like Cruz, I do, but I also see no chance in a general for him. I am about as far away from being with the GOPe as you can find, but that doesn’t mean I am naive enough to think that what excites the hard core base of the Republican Party is going to win a general election.

The reality is elections are about winning the most votes, and as much as many people here may like Cruz, or Many people over at DU like Sanders, both have the same general electability issues. They can excite their bases, but they also alienate others.

Every poll except one outlier shows Hillary beats Cruz by a sizable margin, every one I have seen. Could I personally live with a Cruz presidency? Sure I could, I’m sure I’d like it, but I am not young enough or naive enough to think that the way I feel about things is the same as most other people.

I don’t see Cruz able to get cross over votes, I don’t see how he gets much of the middle... What I do see is that Cruz can indeed motivate an dejected democratic electorate who isn’t excited in the least to vote for Hillary, show up in droves to vote against Cruz... I also see a lot of swing voters doing the same. Like it or not Cruz has been a divisive character in the national political scene, don’t kid yourself about how close the shutdown came to a default, something that put every retirees benefits at risk short term, and don’t think for a minute that most are not aware of it, and that it can’t and won’t be exploited by the left to whip up a strong vote against him.

Cruz has not remotely address this very real concern, and if you think that’s just something the GOPe is floating out there to keep him down, you are fooling yourself. That concern is real and legitimate to anyone who’s been paying attention.

The Dems are on the ropes this cycle, Obama has been a disaster... OBamacare is a disaster, Obamas foreign policy has taken an ugly part of the world and turned it into a completely broken part of the world.... There is absolutely nothing to motivate anyone beyond the hard core left to show up to vote for Hillary... she’s not likable, not inspiring and following up a disasterous administration... Cruz would become a rallying cry in a general election for this group, a group that could care less about Hillary will show up just to vote against him. I am more than willing to see Cruz give me something to show this is not the case, but to date, he hasn’t done anything like that.

Not that it matters anyway, short of Trump imploding on his own, this Primary and Election is his to lose, and has been for months now.


107 posted on 11/23/2015 12:37:29 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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