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This is How AK-47s Get to Paris [despite the fact they're banned]
Daily Beast ^ | 11/15/2015 | David Axe

Posted on 11/14/2015 11:53:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Late Friday night in Paris, multiple gunmen opened fire on diners and concert-goers as part of what appears to have been a coordinated, city-wide terror attack that also included several apparent bomb blasts -- and which killed at least 129 people.

As bombs exploded and panic spread, one witness described assailants firing Kalashnikov-style assault weapons through the plate-glass windows of the Petit Cambodge restaurant in the north-central part of the city.

France outlaws most gun ownership and it's almost impossible to legally acquire a high-powered rifle such as an AK-47, so where did the weapons in the Nov. 13 terror attack -- not to mention the bloody January assault by Islamic terrorists on the Paris office of Charlie Hebdo magazine and the 2012 shootings by a militant in Toulouse -- come from?

The answer: Eastern Europe, most likely, where the trafficking of deadly small arms is big, shady business. And where local authorities find it difficult to intervene.

The French government and the European Union know they have a foreign gun problem. But as the chain of attacks illustrates, efforts to tamp down on the flow of weapons have, so far, failed to disarm terrorists.

French police reportedly seized more than 1,500 illegal weapons in 2009 and no fewer than 2,700 in 2010. The number of illegal guns in France has swollen by double-digit percentages annually for several years, Al Jazeera reported, citing figures from Paris-based National Observatory for Delinquency.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; france; isis; paris; parisattacks; terrorism
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Barry’s itching to change the subject from murderous muslims to evil guns.


41 posted on 11/14/2015 12:42:22 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: ealgeone

Yep, gun ownership is a fundamental human right called self defence.


42 posted on 11/14/2015 12:45:18 PM PST by ully2
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To: Mollypitcher1
Molly,

You seem to have a fair understanding of France, so please permit me ask you three questions:

1. Is it difficult to buy a rifle in France? Suppose I wanted to buy a bolt-action hunting rifle. Could I just go down to the local sporting goods store, put down the cash, and take it home?

2. I think I already know the answer to this one, but is it easy for the average French citizen to get a concealed carry permit?

3.If I'm allowed to have a gun, must that gun must be kept locked up at home? Because if that's so, what good will it do me in situations like this?

43 posted on 11/14/2015 12:55:45 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
You might as well forget about carrying a firearm for self-defense. That requires an entirely different permit process that makes California concealed-carry look like a cake-walk. Think judges in criminal trials, high-ranking politicians, and people with enough political grease but certainly not your average Jacques.

This is from an article I just read about owning a gun in France. Yes, private citizens can own guns. But having one for self-defense is a lot harder there than it is here.

44 posted on 11/14/2015 1:01:11 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know how they get them in but, I believe, I know where they are stored until needed.

Basements of the mosques.


45 posted on 11/14/2015 1:08:13 PM PST by RetSignman (Obama is the walking, talking middle finger in the face of America)
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To: Leaning Right

I think France had something like 19 SASS clubs so their cowboys must have some shootin’ irons.


46 posted on 11/14/2015 1:12:41 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: Regulator

And they can be easily stored for later use in the many mosques that uglify the countryside.


47 posted on 11/14/2015 1:17:50 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Lurkinanloomin

You mean to tell me that I can get my fully automatic AK-47 from Amazon?


48 posted on 11/14/2015 1:22:28 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Leaning Right

Thanks for clarifying the concealed carry rules.

Most European countries have pretty tough gun laws in contrast to the USA with its constitutional right to bear arms. So I am surprised to see comments to the effect France has non restrictive gun laws.

The Europeans like to deride the USA as a bunch of cowboys with their many guns.

I would rather be a cowboy with many guns when there is the possibility of a Muslim terrorist being offended and nearby.


49 posted on 11/14/2015 1:25:25 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Regulator

Diplomatic Pouch. Works everytime. I would imagine there are plenty of embassies in France that support radical islam.


50 posted on 11/14/2015 1:26:07 PM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: rigelkentaurus

That same muzzie problem exists on 1600 PA avenue and everywhere in the USA. However, when seconds count, the Second Amendment counts.


51 posted on 11/14/2015 1:28:34 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: mosaicwolf
Diplomatic Pouch.

I don't know how efficient that would be. Probably not very. But that was my first thought as well. And for diplomats on the fence, I suppose bribe money would work wonders.

52 posted on 11/14/2015 1:29:31 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: 353FMG

If you listen to the Ministry of Propaganda, you might get that impression, but I haven’t found that to be true, much like everything they “report”.


53 posted on 11/14/2015 1:29:50 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Regulator
"Please. Marseilles is majority Muslim now, and they run the docks."

Exactly. Sounds like a job for Popeye Doyle.

He's been around that block a couple of times.

54 posted on 11/14/2015 1:35:59 PM PST by PLMerite (The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: Regulator

Don’t get near a “veiled one” when shopping at Walmart or in crowded places now that suicide bombing has become their MO. Remember that we have not had muzzies blowing themselves up in the WEst until in gay paree last nuit.


55 posted on 11/14/2015 1:38:02 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: SeekAndFind

Since when is the anemic little, puny 7.62x39 round “HIGH POWERED”?

High speed, yes. High Powered? NO!

30.06 is HIGH POWERED

7.62X54R is HIGH POWERED

Relatively speaking, one could argue that the .308 MIGHT qualify for high powered.

.50 is absolutely, most definitely high powered.

But 7.62x39???

Opinions may differ, but this writer does NOT include that punk butt round as HIGH POWERED.

Flame on.


56 posted on 11/14/2015 2:57:35 PM PST by Frederick_Barbarossa
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To: DiogenesLamp

Thanks for posting that picture. I have never seen a “liberator” gun before. Very cool.


57 posted on 11/14/2015 3:06:29 PM PST by submarinerswife ("I still have a steadfast rule: touch a kid sexually and you deserve a bullet.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Since when is the anemic little, puny 7.62x39 round “HIGH POWERED”?

High speed, yes. High Powered? NO!

30.06 is HIGH POWERED

7.62X54R is HIGH POWERED

Relatively speaking, one could argue that the .308 MIGHT qualify for high powered.

.50 is absolutely, most definitely high powered.

But 7.62x39???

Opinions may differ, but this writer does NOT include that punk butt round as HIGH POWERED.

Flame on.


58 posted on 11/14/2015 3:35:01 PM PST by Frederick_Barbarossa
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To: Frederick_Barbarossa

It’s all a matter of perspective depending on which end of the muzzle you are facing. A .22 round is high powered if you are a sheeple laying on the ground waiting to be slaughtered by an islamonut.


59 posted on 11/14/2015 3:40:22 PM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: Sequoyah101
That think just looks like a disaster waiting to happen, for the person pulling the trigger.

Not at all. The Design is quite robust. The "Liberator" pistol was air dropped all over occupied France and the Netherlands during WWII, and it allowed resistance cells to kill Germans and take their weapons.

The people who used it at the time said it wasn't a very good gun, but it was a good gun to get a gun.

The methodology was to get in close and pull the trigger at point blank range.

The design was utilized because of it's cheap manufacturing cost. It was useless to Germans, (because they had better weapons) but invaluable to disarmed partisans seeking to drive the Germans out of their country.

But you miss my point. My point is to demonstrate parallels between socialists disarming the populations of conquered lands, and European Socialists having disarmed their own populations.

I'm equating the Euroweenie governments to the Nazis.

I regard the right to own guns as a fundamental human right, and we should deliberately undermine anyone's attempts to disarm their populace.

We should work to make gun control impossible.

60 posted on 11/14/2015 3:58:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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