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With Waco indictments, pressure on to make a deal
Houston Chronicle ^ | 11/11/2015 | Dane Schiller

Posted on 11/12/2015 5:57:51 AM PST by Elderberry

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To: piroque
To generate revenue and oppress.

Brazil~~~Hurry up and confess, just think of your credit rating!

21 posted on 11/12/2015 8:15:35 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: Elderberry

even innocent people have pleaded guilty in cases in order to avoid doing major time.

I hate our system that this is even allowed to be considered.

I hope they all cooperate and every gang sticks together and proves the cops did all the shooting in the beginning and they didn’t know it was the cops so they started shooting back. And that’s probably what actually happened.


22 posted on 11/12/2015 9:38:14 AM PST by VerySadAmerican
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To: Moira Davidson

Look up the story of Vic Feazell. (sp) A Grand Jury was seated for 11 months and could not get an indictment. Another one was seated and an indictment was returned in 4 days. Later after Feazell’s acquittal members of the second Grand Jury came forward and said they were threatened by IRS agents that their lives would be made miserable if they didn’t vote for an indictment.


23 posted on 11/12/2015 9:42:50 AM PST by VerySadAmerican
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To: semimojo

24 posted on 11/12/2015 10:02:03 AM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Wasn’t able to read the story without signing up at Houston chronicle, but the excerpt posted here seems to indicate (from this quote “This is just the beginning of an ongoing, continuing investigation,” he (Reyna) said Wednesday. “Eventually all 177 cases will be put before the (grand jury.)”

Seems to me (just my opinion) the DA is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and to get someone to roll over. Coercive tactics under color of law/justice. Whatever happened to completing an investigation and then prosecuting the alleged perps?

This is troubling, to put it mildly.


25 posted on 11/12/2015 10:05:15 AM PST by Moira Davidson (Happiness is having a large, loving, caring, close-knit family - in another city.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

I did look him up - an attorney (I found nothing but ads & a brief wiki) - who was the client/what was the case?

Truly interested here. Abuse of power/government is repugnant and should catch the attention of all liberty-loving Americans.

Add in gag orders and blanket indictments, and you have the makings of yet another conspiracy by TPTB.

At what point do We The People figure out that RICO Statutes exclude The State, though they seem to expressly apply in many cases?


26 posted on 11/12/2015 10:05:15 AM PST by Moira Davidson (Happiness is having a large, loving, caring, close-knit family - in another city.)
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To: Paladin2
Got it. I was thinking of the "boots" guy.

Hard to tell what's going on in that pic.

27 posted on 11/12/2015 10:17:12 AM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
There is a third guy in plain clothes in the near background.

Somebody likely knows who these individuals are and their relationships to Waco LEO.

28 posted on 11/12/2015 10:19:33 AM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: Elderberry
This is an almost classical case of the Prisoner's Delimma.

The city's biggest issue may well be convincing the indited that there is any honor in the prosecutor's office.

With this many people involved, it is probably going to be impossible for everyone to stand up against an agency with apparently unlimited power and money. Impeaching 'witnesses' will be pretty straightforward though, I suspect.

29 posted on 11/12/2015 10:44:45 AM PST by zeugma (Teach your child a love for motorcycles, and he'll never have money for drugs.)
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To: semimojo
The Waco PD is on record that all of their officers were in cars when the shooting started.

LOL. And we know that the government never lies.

30 posted on 11/12/2015 10:46:13 AM PST by zeugma (Teach your child a love for motorcycles, and he'll never have money for drugs.)
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To: Paladin2
There is a third guy in plain clothes in the near background.

Looks like he could be a uniformed cop to me.

31 posted on 11/12/2015 11:16:48 AM PST by semimojo
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To: zeugma
LOL. And we know that the government never lies.

They lie but usually not so blatantly. There's no way they can go through the prosecution of all those bikers and not have the truth come out.

Also, think of the number of Waco police officers who would have to be in on the conspiracy. Are the rank and file Waco cops that corrupt?

32 posted on 11/12/2015 11:20:04 AM PST by semimojo
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

You watch too much TV.


33 posted on 11/12/2015 11:37:06 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: semimojo
Also, think of the number of Waco police officers who would have to be in on the conspiracy. Are the rank and file Waco cops that corrupt?

Yes,

Those that aren't actively corrupt keep their mouths shut so as to keep their jobs. Same thing. The mafia ain't got nothing on the silence of the "thin blue line".

You'll notice as well, that all of the rumors flying around right after the incident that biker gangs would be taking revenge against cops didn't quite come to pass did it?

 

34 posted on 11/12/2015 11:44:46 AM PST by zeugma (Teach your child a love for motorcycles, and he'll never have money for drugs.)
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To: Moira Davidson

http://vicfeazell.com/

This link has everything you’d want to know. Click on the link US vs Feazell.

I personally knew Deanna, the First Assistant DA, at the time and I KNEW he wasn’t guilty of taking bribes for dropping DWI cases. How did I know? Because it was my friend who dropped them. And she said they were dropped because of either poor police work or not enough evidence.

Vic ran as the “anti establishment” candidate and won the democratic primary. Then his opponent endorsed the republican. When he took over the defense lawyers had been running the place. He built a waiting room and made them sign in. They got pissed and made bumper stickers that said “I visited Ft. Feazell”.

When he took office files were lost, some found behind cabinets and some found in the ceiling. They weren’t going to make it easy on him. All the drains had been plugged up. One of the secretaries that he kept on was sabotaging cases and he fired her. He had kept some attorneys and had to fire some of them because they were working against him.

There came a time when they stopped taking cases from the Waco Police Department because of shoddy police work and frame ups. That pissed them off.

He made the Texas Rangers out to be frauds when he proved that Henry Lee Lucas could not possibly have committed all the murders the Rangers had solved because he had confessed to them. The Rangers were pissed off.

Every law enforcement organization in the country came down on him including the DEA and IRS. He had been given a plaque from an anti drug concern that had a syringe glued onto it. The DEA came in and tore the syringe off and entered it as evidence of Vic possessing drug paraphanalia. sp

So the IRS found four crooked lawyers who had tax problems and forced them to lie and say Vic had given them bribes to drop DWI cases. What actually happened is if a case was dropped due to lack of evidence or some other legal reason the lawyers would tell their clients “For and extra $500 I can get this case dropped.” When in fact, the case had already been dropped.

The only law enforcement agency that wouldn’t have anything to do with it was the McClennan County Sheriff’s Department. The sheriff at that time was a good guy. Anyone could call and ask to speak to him and he’d talk to them. I know because I called with a problem about a collection agency harassing me and he told me “If they bother you again tell them to call me.” He also refused to have anything to do with the raid on the David Koresh compound. He told the DEA “If you’ll call him up he’ll come in and then he can give you a tour of the compound.” But the DEA wanted it all on TV.

It’s sad to see that Waco hasn’t changed even after Vic won $58 million in a libel suit against Channel 8 in Dallas. But I guarantee if he was the DA today this biker thing would be handled a lot differently. When he was acquitted he said “As long as I put guys behind bars who didn’t wear badges everyone loved me.”

By the way, if I remember correctly Sixty Minutes couldn’t find anything on Vic. The report is on his web page.


35 posted on 11/12/2015 11:55:46 AM PST by VerySadAmerican
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To: VerySadAmerican

He sounds like a rare species..an honorable attorney, and one willing to stand up to “the system” to boot.

Good on him. Can’t wait to read up on him, as it’s hard to believe.

of course, I will give his story a fair shake...it’s just in my blood & through personal experiences that it’s natural to question the morals, motivations & actions of such a rare bird. Never dealt with someone like that firsthand, but it’s a hopeful sign that not all is lost.

Thank you for sending!


36 posted on 11/12/2015 1:30:47 PM PST by Moira Davidson (Happiness is having a large, loving, caring, close-knit family - in another city.)
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To: Moira Davidson

The guy was as decent a man as there ever was. After he got his millions he moved to Austin and for years represented people who couldn’t afford a decent lawyer.

There was a school janitor that had been wrongfully convicted of murder and spent 20 years in prison. Once DNA proved him innocent he was released. The state immediately went after him for back child support. Vic represented him for free and I think he got the state to pay the child support.

He was a very strong Christian man and he was as clean as a whistle. In the trial it came out that one of the crooked lawyers the IRS was forcing to testify against Vic had a C.B. Radio “handle” of “Sheister”. The lawyers, by the way, came out and told the truth and how they had been threatened by the IRS if they didn’t lie about Vic taking bribes.

The Sunday morning paper that announced his acquittal began about a small time lawyer who said he was called to the federal building in Waco and he said he found himself sitting across the table for the largest group of law enforcement agencies he had ever seen. The only one not represented was the county sheriff’s office. He said they tried to coerce him into testifying against Vic. He said he told them they could send him to prison because he would not lie about it. He said he knew right then they didn’t have anything on Vic if they “were coming after a small time lawyer like me.”

You should read CARELESS WHISPERS if you want to see his skill as a lawyer. He got a conviction of murder for hire when the killer killed the wrong girl. It’s hard enough to convict a murder for hire as it is. But to get a conviction when the wrong person was killed is extraordinary.

The story also shows what a dedicated cop can do. The Waco Police stopped investigating the case and put it in their cold case file. And they did it rather quickly. The cop that had found the bodies quit and went to work for the sheriff’s office under the condition that he could work on the murders on his own time. He solved the case with the help of a psychic. Fascinating story.

It took years but I remember the day the killer was executed.

I think another thing that pissed off the establishment was several of Vic’s assistants ran for judgeships. They thought he was trying to build his on machine.

During his trial in Austin he passed me on the freeway. I gave him a thumbs up and he smiled and returned the gesture. He didn’t know me but he knew who I was because he knew I was a friend of his first assistant. He was driving an old Caddy that had seen it’s better days. Believe me, he was NOT on the take.

Like I said, it’s sad to see that Waco is still corrupt. I haven’t lived there since 1991. I will be town this weekend for the Baylor-Oklahoma game.

Sorry for the long post but it’s a story that’s always fascinated me. A movie deal was in the works but, as I was told, the story was too long to do it justice in two hours.


37 posted on 11/12/2015 3:53:16 PM PST by VerySadAmerican
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To: Moira Davidson; VerySadAmerican
L.A. Times article
38 posted on 11/12/2015 4:48:34 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

So the Bandidos are going to start killing Mom and Pop club members that only got arrested for wearing “Support the Fat Mexican” patches. That isn’t very nice considering those little clubs have been paying “dues” to the Fat Mexican.


39 posted on 11/12/2015 6:13:57 PM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Roflmao.


40 posted on 11/12/2015 7:07:32 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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