Posted on 11/12/2015 5:57:51 AM PST by Elderberry
We still don’t know how many of the deceased were killed by cops, do we?
My bet is all of them.
Follow the money
" as well as who among them are directly responsible for the deaths and injuries. " No LEOs were directly responsible for deaths?
"...officers fired their weapons to save their own lives..." That will be interesting to see proven for any LEO besides the undercover ones.
“...Authorities have also declined to reveal who among them was shot by Waco Police, although authorities have said officers fired their weapons to save their own lives or those of others....”
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So the “authorities” are claiming that they killed people to “save their own lives or those of others”. It will be VERY interesting to review the videos to see which lives were “saved” exactly. My guess is that NO LIVES WERE SAVED, LIVES WERE ONLY TAKEN.
Writer clearly does not understand the world of MC clubs. Will some one roll over, probably but they would be better off doing the time not looking over their shoulder.
Cut police budgets down and close down jails. With crime down who else will they come after to justify their budgets? What kind of limited govt types want to have more cops and jails? Never made sense to me.
Do we know that there were any undercover ones? The Waco PD is on record that all of their officers were in cars when the shooting started.
I thought there were pics of at least one guy wearing “colors”, still armed, talking to uniformed LEOs after the action as opposed to be sitting on the curb in cuffs.
Snitches get stitches or worse. My understanding is that motorcycle 1%ers like these guys won’t snitch to make a deal out of fear of being whacked by fellow bikers. They will take the “dime” and do the time...of course they are running a criminal enterprise...that’s what motorcycle clubs like this do to sustain themselves...but proving it in court is another matter.
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LEX
The “Red Boots” guy.
There's a pic of a guy in plain clothes holding a rifle and wearing body armor. I don't think he's wearing "colors" and it seems it would be hard for him to blend in strolling around the patio with a rifle and bulletproof vest.
The speculation about him being undercover and involved is just that - speculation - and in my view it doesn't hold up.
I also think it very unlikely that the Waco PD would issue a press release stating something that would surely be dis-proven in short order once cases start going to trial.
Have ballistics findings been released, or is that also covered under the gag order?
As an aside, seems I’d read somewhere (I could be mistaken) that these grand juries are handpicked retired judges and former prosecutors - anyone know anything about that?
No.
All should exercise their rights and demand a jury trial.
Jury trials and discovery will tell us.
In one of the photos that includes red boots, there is a fat guy wearing a MC club vest, fixed blade knife (I’d guess 6 or 7 inch blade) prominently visible hanging from his belt. He’s talking to a fat cop who is holding an assault rifle, and red boots is holding an assault rifle. The scene does not appear to be one where red boots and the fat cop are demanding submission of the fat biker.
That said, "random" selection, supervised by judges, is NOT random. A judge can dismiss any prospective grand juror, using a pretext.
Disastrous case. Reasonable doubt will be pooling on the floor, with each defendant able to draw a dozen or dozens of alibi or affirmative defense witnesses.
I certainly favor finding and convicting the murderers in this case, but they should be going after all of them, not just the guys wearing motorcycle club uniforms and giving a pass to those wearing law enforcement uniforms. Blackmailing clearly innocent bystanders is a tyranny of justice, but that is exactly what is going on.
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