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John Kasich Is So ‘Underrated,’ He’s Overrated
Five Thirty Eight Politics ^ | 11/11/2015 | Nate Silver

Posted on 11/11/2015 5:00:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Not every debate is a “game changer.” In fact, given how overzealous the press can be in declaring events to be turning points when they prove to have little effect on the campaign, it’s probably best to assume that most debates don’t matter.

So I can’t begrudge Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin, for instance, for giving every Republican candidate a B+ to a B- for their performance in Milwaukee on Tuesday night. Our staff grades at FiveThirtyEight1 were pretty similar. We had six of the eight main-stage candidates bunched together between a B- and a C+, and we had Marco Rubio as the “winner” despite averaging just a B+.

CANDIDATE AVERAGE GRADE NATE’S GRADE
Marco Rubio B+ B+
Rand Paul B- B-
Ted Cruz B- B+
Jeb Bush C+ C+
Carly Fiorina C+ B
Donald Trump C+ B
Ben Carson C+ B+
John Kasich C C

Personally, I thought that Rubio did fine but that Ben Carson and Ted Cruz did as much to advance their causes. Carson received more Google search traffic than any other candidate during the debate,2 a factor that has sometimes been a better leading indicator of polling movement than pundits’ takes on who did well, and his performance was composed after a couple of weeks of intense media scrutiny.

I’m not sure, conversely, that Jeb Bush did much to steady himself amidst a campaign that has gone badly. After promising to assert himself, Bush ranked near the bottom in speaking time and last in Google search volume.

But these are minor quibbles. Let's instead talk about a candidate who, in addition to having a poor debate, has shown few signs of life lately: Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

We get the theoretical case for Kasich. He's fairly moderate, but no more moderate than Bush. He's a fresher face than Bush. And his campaigning muscles are more in shape, since he was elected and re-elected easily in Ohio in 2010 and 2014 (Bush has not run a campaign in more than a decade).

You might expect, given how much Bush is struggling, that Kasich would be surging, at least with a certain type of Republican voter.

But after a few premature pronouncements over the summer that Kasich's campaign had "momentum," there are few signs of it now. He moved up in the polls in New Hampshire in July and August after running a there, but his standing has topped out at about 8 or 9 percent, and has perhaps even declined slightly from his late-summer peak:

How the varsity candidates are doing in New Hampshire

Meanwhile, Kasich's favorability ratings are getting worse in New Hampshire: He had a net favorability rating of just +5 percentage points in a recent WBUR poll, down from +24 in September. Kasich’s favorability ratings are a little better in the Monmouth poll of New Hampshire, but the trajectory is still well down from September.

The reason may be that Kasich, like Jon Huntsman four years ago, is spending too much time in the media bubble. The predominately center-left political press may like the substance of what Kasich is saying — his positions on gay marriage and Medicaid, for instance — and then forget how little they have in common with Republican primary voters.

I'd thought that Kasich might be engaged in an elaborate tactical bank shot. First, get on the radar screen by any means necessary. Run a ton of ads in New Hampshire six months before anyone votes there? Sure! Cozy up to the center-left media? Some coverage is better than none! Deliberately emphasize your moderate positions on the debate stage, so as to at least stand out from the other 16 candidates? Well, why not!

But part two of the strategy, I'd assumed, would be a pivot — once he had found his footing, he would move back to the right. Kasich was conspicuously not doing that in Milwaukee, however. Instead, he was going out of his way to pick fights with other Republicans, usually to prove how moderate he was.

Maybe that pivot is still coming — there’s still time in New Hampshire, especially if someone like Carson wins in Iowa. But Kasich’s declining numbers in the state are a sign that he may already have worn out his welcome.

Check out our live coverage of the Republican debate.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016debates; debates; elections; gope; johnkasich
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1 posted on 11/11/2015 5:00:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s like the bratty nephew who refuses to sit with his cousins at Thanksgiving and would bother the adults with his nonsense.


2 posted on 11/11/2015 5:03:50 PM PST by AU72
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To: SeekAndFind

More nonsense from Nate. Kasich is losing because he is a liberal and a scold. Every time he talks he tells me how much more moral and better he is than I am. Fu@k him!

As an Ohioan I can tell you it is lucky he struck oil and that his opponent self destructed in the last election.


3 posted on 11/11/2015 5:07:12 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: AU72

He needs to stay in Columbus,where he’s the invisible man.
On the National Stage he’s the bratty kid who runs up and down the aisle of an airliner.


4 posted on 11/11/2015 5:08:08 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: AU72

Ohio hasn’t elected a Conservative Governor since Jim Rhodes last term in 1978. Gay-Sick is just another execrable turd in a long line from Columbus.


5 posted on 11/11/2015 5:09:09 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Farmer Dean

Oh,I forgot.While screaming.


6 posted on 11/11/2015 5:09:32 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, if you have any money in the bank and it goes under, he will check and see if you need help from the printing press or not.

He is such a good Socialist asshat.


7 posted on 11/11/2015 5:12:05 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Kasich is gone. He doesn’t think we can deport illegal aliens. That is what we are going to do. Bye GOPe


8 posted on 11/11/2015 5:13:43 PM PST by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is “going postal” hereditary?


9 posted on 11/11/2015 5:14:20 PM PST by digger48
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To: WENDLE

He’s not gone fast enough. He was just reelected last November and still has 3 years and 2 months to wreak more leftist destruction in Columbus and pave the way for a Democrat successor like Bob Taft the Turd did. Meanwhile, good people like Ken Blackwell pay the price for people as ideologically far removed from them as the Democrats.


10 posted on 11/11/2015 5:17:02 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: AU72

“He’s like the bratty nephew who refuses to sit with his cousins at Thanksgiving and would bother the adults with his nonsense.”

HA HA! I didn’t watch the debate or anything, but I just KNOW that this description of Kasich is spot on!


11 posted on 11/11/2015 5:23:09 PM PST by jocon307
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To: SeekAndFind

I,I,I,me,me,me. Kasich is a very uninspiring speaker and presidential candidate.


12 posted on 11/11/2015 5:27:49 PM PST by 353FMG
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13 posted on 11/11/2015 5:28:02 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SeekAndFind

I,I,I,me,me,me. Kasich is a very uninspiring speaker and presidential candidate. he should be placed in the second debating team. Waaaaaay overrated


14 posted on 11/11/2015 5:29:25 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: SeekAndFind

No on Kasich. At this point, I’d prefer Paul or Rubio to him.

And I’m not big on Paul. Rubio a bit more.


15 posted on 11/11/2015 5:32:49 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

This guy should be selling hot dogs at Ohio Stadium.


16 posted on 11/11/2015 5:34:00 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: SeekAndFind

But,but...did you know his father was a mailman?


17 posted on 11/11/2015 5:38:34 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: SeekAndFind

‘Jeb’ Kasich - for when you really, really want a RINO but just can’t take another Bush.


18 posted on 11/11/2015 5:41:32 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: 353FMG

“I,I,I,me,me,me. Kasich is a very uninspiring speaker and presidential candidate.”<-—How anyone can support this guy is beyond me.


19 posted on 11/11/2015 5:46:21 PM PST by moehoward
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To: SeekAndFind
Kasich is a liberal jackass and shouldn't even be registered as a Republican.
20 posted on 11/11/2015 6:03:08 PM PST by dalereed
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