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To: Cold Heat; tacticalogic
I am not going to do the research.

If you had, you'd have known better. Prof. David Currie, U of Chicago, writes: "the First Congress took the Constitution very seriously. Constitutional questions cropped up in the House and Senate every time somebody sneezed, and one proposal after another was subjected to intensive debate to determine its compatibility with relevant constitutional provisions. Members of Congress plainly thought it necessary to demonstrate that the Constitution supported their actions".

238 posted on 11/13/2015 5:34:43 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: ConservingFreedom
My reading does not go all the way to the first Congress, largely because I did not expect to find anything I was looking for. Those men just finished with a very difficult task.

The degradation of the constitution did not really begin in any notable way for about 30 years, one generation removed still left a few aged experts but that is when it began to weaken. and it had to have happened for the fed to have been so screwed up by the beginning of the 20th century. So between 1820 and 1900, there had to have been a sea change in the interpretations.

But here is one reference regarding the crocket myth that shows you a connection between the myth and the facts in 1828. This would be within my time target and it shows clearly that congress was beginning to go it's own way. Not hard to see it in the voting..Today of course this vote would pass unanimously. In the first Congress it would have failed miserably.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llrd&fileName=006/llrd006.db&recNum=308

If you want to nitpick my opinions as you have, you can do so, but don't expect me to defend, because I do not have to and I'm not going to...so why not try one more time. Maybe that will do the trick. Maybe I'll get mad and lookup something else for you. The reality is that all I am positing here is that the bastardization began early on.. and it has continued to this based on a pile of previous precedent.

To question that premise would put you in lala land.

239 posted on 11/13/2015 6:19:19 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: ConservingFreedom

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llrd&fileName=006/llrd006.db&recNum=308


240 posted on 11/13/2015 6:19:41 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: ConservingFreedom

BTW...If you don’t see it in your reading, the bill was passed and returned to the Senate, which indicates to me that it originated there.

Crockets mythological speech was probably the one he gave here on the second day of debate if I recall, he opposed it and gave a speech.

In the myth the author changed the facts and probably made up the new story, but this one is real.

So I guess one could say that the crocket speech to congress was fake but accurate.....har, har, har.. kudos to Dan Rather for the quotation..


242 posted on 11/13/2015 6:32:51 PM PST by Cold Heat
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