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To: Cold Heat
You can pretend it's a 10th amendment case, just like I can pretend the fed taxes are voluntary, but it falls flat in the court of law

So abortion is a right because the courts say so - and for conservatives to argue otherwise is a "pretense"?

That's the reality.

I'm not saying I like it or agree in principle with anything.

Will you say you dislike that the federal government has - with court acquiescence - exercised authority over intrastate pot policy contrary to the language of the Constitution?

172 posted on 11/12/2015 10:59:42 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: ConservingFreedom

We are talking past each other here.

Let me try one more time in a way you might understand regarding the Tenth amendment.

The 10th simply says (paraphrasing) that all things not specifically mentioned in this document are the purview of the States.

What that means is that initially, the 10th limits government to those things mentioned, but we also find in the document the creation of legislative branch and the other two branches. We set up the House of representatives to be a direct representation of the people of a State, and Senators were to be appointed by the State legislature making them representatives of the state government who is representing the people of a State.

When the people of a State through their representatives create a new law, the Supreme court recognizes that law as a legitimate request of the people. Therefore it supersedes the 10Th amendment language. While the law it’s self could be viewed as unconstitutional for other reasons mentioned in the Constitution, it does not violate the 10th.

10th amendment arguments, therefore, are not always successful. and they generally fail if the Congress has either participated in making the law, or ceded that responsibility to a government agency. The court recognizes that Congress did this, and that congress is a representative of the people, therefore the people approved it and it’s constitutional, assuming it passes all other constitutional tests whatever they are.

That’s how it works, and why Marijuana is illegal or any other substance that the government justifies as harmful, dangerous or whatever..

It’s why the 10th amendment arguments are often mute and without standing in a court of law, particularly the supreme court.

In a second amendment argument, where congress has acted to restrict guns, the 10th also does not apply but 2nd does...for example...

That’s how we do things...not saying it’s right in all cases,,

The Ceding of power and responsibility by Congress in some cases is difficult to justify, but if they don’t act for whatever reason and a case ends up in SCOTUS, then whatever the 9 robes decide, we generally must live with as our representation has failed to deal with it.

It’s not rocket science...and yes, it’s all a mess that has existed over a long period of time. One can pick it apart and then say it violated the 10th, but if you defend on those grounds, and congress is involved or was silent, SCOTUS becomes the arbiter. And you can plainly see what the result is.


174 posted on 11/12/2015 11:25:37 AM PST by Cold Heat
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