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Medical Marijuana Isn’t a Joke. Debating the DEA Head Is
News Ledge ^ | November 11, 2015 | Marcus Chavers

Posted on 11/11/2015 11:22:02 AM PST by ConservingFreedom

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To: GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; stephenjohnbanker; AuH2ORepublican; NFHale; BillyBoy

Medical Marijuana=Gay civil unions

Backdoor legalization, the endgame is Cheech and Chong.


101 posted on 11/11/2015 2:29:10 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: vette6387

“Sometimes there are not “other things” to relieve pain, and in point of fact, “pain management” is one of the medical travesties of our time. The fact is, the medical profession has not done a decent job of understanding and successfully treating pain.”

Agree wholeheartedly.


102 posted on 11/11/2015 2:34:53 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: fwdude

I will also add that I don’t have a problem with someone with cancer smoking marijuana if it gives them any relief.

My problem is that in California MM is basically a way of people getting it for recreational use. The shops are sleezy, and the product is unreliable.

I’d rather it be dispensed like other meds. Of course getting drugs approved by the FDA is a whole other mess.


103 posted on 11/11/2015 2:37:59 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
from the other thread

You mean the guy who started this thread, Einstein?

Have anything to say about the issue at hand, or just here to be the peanut gallery again?

104 posted on 11/11/2015 2:38:12 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: DouglasKC
"CONCLUSION: Numerous studies suggest that marijuana smoke is an important risk factor in the development of respiratory disease."

Many medicines have negative side effects - should they all be banned?

Stoners going to "clinics", getting pot and sitting around smoking pot are not medicating.

How is that relevant to your original point about the risk of respiratory disease?

105 posted on 11/11/2015 2:39:46 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: fwdude
Exposure to children?

Since young people report that they can get pot more easily than beer or cigarettes, it seems that the best way to keep pot out of their hands is to legalize it for adults; sellers of legal drugs typically card minors, whereas sellers of illegal drugs never do.

Qualifications for employment? Professional licensing?

Matters for employers and licensers, not government.

106 posted on 11/11/2015 2:42:19 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: fwdude
There is nothing easier, enforcement wise, than banning a behavior or substance.

That's why nobody smokes pot, right? ROTFL!

107 posted on 11/11/2015 2:43:41 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: Impy; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; stephenjohnbanker; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy
In case you missed it: "there are patients with debilitating symptoms for whom smoked marijuana might provide relief. [...] Until a nonsmoked rapid-onset cannabinoid drug delivery system becomes available, we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting." - Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base (1999), Institute of Medicine
108 posted on 11/11/2015 2:47:26 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: OldSmaj

“Lyrica did nothing...zero...zip for me.

The only relief I got was from Norco and I damn well know how it can make one feel.

So, seriously, how does one abuse Lyrica?”

Everyone reacts differently to different drugs. I was on Neurontin for 4 years and it kept getting less effective until I was up to 1200mg 3x a day. I talked to a couple of people who were on less than 100mg a day (TOTAL) and they said they couldn’t function.

Lyrica for me basically feels like I’ve had about 3 beers in rapid succession. Being someone that has about 3 beers a year, each separated by several months, means I feel rather tipsy. Taking several Lyrica at once would amplify that.

The propensity for abuse is the reason the pharmacy has to check your id and log it when it’s purchased. I can’t see that I’d abuse it but then I’ve never tried drinking cough syrup for the side effects either but some people do.


109 posted on 11/11/2015 2:51:12 PM PST by Mac n Jac (www.vetsfightingms.org)
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To: ConservingFreedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2pXxHW1DHs


110 posted on 11/11/2015 2:54:11 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: ConservingFreedom; fieldmarshaldj; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; admin

So even though you’ve been told not to ping us, you continue to stalk and ping us Einstein?

2014 signup. Troll.


111 posted on 11/11/2015 3:05:43 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: fwdude
Do any of the advocates for medical marijuana posting here OPPOSE legalizing recreational use?

Obviously the potheads of America figured out that shoving medical marijuana bills past state legislatures was the best way to get pot legalized state by state. Marijuana, the drug that gradually makes you an idiot. Pot and other drugs are a big factor in giving us more tax sucking losers and parasites

112 posted on 11/11/2015 3:10:48 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: ConservingFreedom; tacticalogic

Maybe I should just bow out and let both of you discuss...

Frankly, I have no position in this, other than the obvious. I think it should be illegal


115 posted on 11/11/2015 5:28:05 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
Frankly, I have no position in this, other than the obvious. I think it should be illegal

I don't have any problem making it illegal. I have serious problems with the idea that embracing the New Deal "substantial effects" interpretation of the Commerce Clause in order to make it a federal issue is worth the collateral damage.

116 posted on 11/11/2015 5:58:10 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Not familiar with the issue...Is not illegal enough?


117 posted on 11/11/2015 6:19:56 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: tacticalogic

Just thinking briefly about this, I don’t understand why commerce would even be a issue with a drug that simply needs to be put on the class or schedule whatever list...which I assume it is...

If the problem is the smokable form, them maybe they should just allow that form of the substance and dispense it through the normal pharmacy distribution network with a doctor prescription.

Then get rid of all this medial MJ nonsense. and laws like Colorado’s which is just plain nuts.. After which you have a legal pharmaceutical the is regulated the same way as Oxycontin. Thus it would still be illegal to grow, but they will still do it, however it will be readily available via prescription.

That’s the only answer to this mess...But I don’t use the stuff...smoked it when I was a 60s hippy wanna-bee, but I note that todays MJ is nothing like the weak pot, we had back then. This new stuff is closer to a good hashish. Had a smoke a few years ago, it almost made me unconscious. It needs to be regulated.


118 posted on 11/11/2015 6:31:25 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
It needs to be regulated.

The question is, by who and on what authority.

119 posted on 11/11/2015 6:36:50 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

FDA


120 posted on 11/11/2015 6:39:13 PM PST by Cold Heat
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