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Fury and fear in Ohio as IT jobs go to India: IT workers are training their replacements
Computerworld ^ | Nov 9, 2015 | Patrick Thibodeau

Posted on 11/09/2015 11:39:23 AM PST by ConservingFreedom

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To: ConservingFreedom

Most of the Republican candidates want to increase this.


21 posted on 11/09/2015 12:06:35 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: ConservingFreedom

If they’re foolish enough to hire unqualified people let them suffer: don’t train them, just leave.


22 posted on 11/09/2015 12:08:44 PM PST by Ray76
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To: ConservingFreedom

This isn’t a new thing for Southwest Ohio, as Lexis-Nexis did it in 2008-2009 for their offshoring to India/Philippines. Same threat to severance, same training requirements, yet no media coverage. On top of that, they did this while saying they wouldn’t leave Dayton like NCR did for Georgia.

That, and there’s the dubious honor of innovating in H1-b fraud - by Wright State University’s use of education status to improperly bypass the visa limits. Nice thing to say that even if one does well in school by all measures, they’ll just use fraud to avoid you anyway.

Southwest Ohio’s job market sure is taking it in the hindquarters. Short of working in a clearance-required role for Wright-Patterson, no good words can be said of the conditions of the job market.


23 posted on 11/09/2015 12:08:49 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: Cronos

Agile and cloud are crap. I was telling people this years ago and have been chastised for it.


24 posted on 11/09/2015 12:08:51 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Ingtar

Exactly, these guys fall into 3 camps... maybe a few percentage of them are good/great... maybe 10% or reasonable/capable, and the remaining 80-85% I wouldn’t want operating a garage door.

They make a mess, and eventually the company has to hire someone to come in and clean it up.


25 posted on 11/09/2015 12:09:30 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: grania

Never mind that it’s not far from Dayton and Wilmington, which still have yet to recover from NCR, GM, and DHL’s departure - jobs from all levels of skill.


26 posted on 11/09/2015 12:16:57 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

I did some work with a chipset company in Maine where the workers had to train 40 chinese who would be taking their jobs

I was amazed how polite they were to the the chinese taking their jobs. In India or China, the workers would be rioting, or at least sabotaging the whole enterprise


27 posted on 11/09/2015 12:20:46 PM PST by PGR88
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To: All

If you like this, you’ll LOVE TPP!


28 posted on 11/09/2015 12:24:00 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Voting is self-abuse - without the pleasure.)
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To: DonaldC

It’s true. I’m in IT management and I see how the business treats IT, and it’s budget with contempt. They don’t realize more money is made with up-time...


29 posted on 11/09/2015 12:24:19 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: ConservingFreedom

Consequence. What happens when a promise becomes a curse.


30 posted on 11/09/2015 12:31:15 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: ConservingFreedom

Ohio went with Obama twice, and they have had Boehner all this time. Maybe these workers should appeal to their champions they voted in office.


31 posted on 11/09/2015 12:31:24 PM PST by odawg
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To: ConservingFreedom

Not a big fan of unions, but situations like this beg for them; and rightly so.

If they all got together and refused to work, they’d keep their jobs or get very sizable severance packages. Peer pressure would get to those few who would be reluctant not to stick with the majority.

They have alot more power than they think.


32 posted on 11/09/2015 12:31:26 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: ConservingFreedom

IT jobs are taking a hit due to several factors.

US businesses are looking for any way they can to reduce costs. Outsourcing and/or H1-B looks like a viable option. It generally turns out to be much more expensive in my experience. Government mandates are strangling US businesses. Much of what drives outsourcing is a result of an overreaching government.

To be blunt another reason is US universities do an awful job of training programers. With the volume of IT workers needed, I have no doubt companies are having trouble finding US applicants proficient in the skills they need. At the same time, coders who learn to program on their own usually have huge knowledge gaps and bad habits that make employing them very expensive We need a better way to train IT workers.

As more and more of our lives are directly touched by software, I fear this will only get worse before it gets better. What we DON’T need is more government interference. A return to the free marketis the answer .


33 posted on 11/09/2015 12:32:00 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: ConservingFreedom

It’s flat out against the law to replace an American worker with an H1B worker.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/FactSheet62/whdfs62N.htm

How do they get away with this ?


34 posted on 11/09/2015 12:39:51 PM PST by stylin19a (obama = Fredo Smart)
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To: ConservingFreedom

It’s only a matter of time before some pasty middle manager tasked with delivering this type of news gets a first rate beatdown.


35 posted on 11/09/2015 12:42:36 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: PGR88

how polite

We Americans.


36 posted on 11/09/2015 12:44:44 PM PST by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: ConservingFreedom

After the company I worked at, my software development group was merged with one from the other company in another state, not another country half way around the world. It was like trying to merge two churches from different denominations. It never worked.


37 posted on 11/09/2015 12:48:06 PM PST by MulberryDraw
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To: FourPeas
I have no doubt US companies are having trouble finding US workers with skills....

That can't be a valid argument in this case and many others people share. The US workers that are being laid off are so proficient that they can train their replacements. The problem is that the foreign replacements are mostly much worse at programming.

There was a stat last month that somewhere around 50% of US workers with STEM degrees can't find tech jobs. And you know what? The STEM programs I saw in the public schools are pretty good.

38 posted on 11/09/2015 12:50:28 PM PST by grania
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To: stylin19a
I bet they hired Cognizant as a "managed services" company. The entire operation is turned over to Cognizant, including people. What Cognizant does with them is of no concern to the Company.
That is how they get away with it.
39 posted on 11/09/2015 12:57:59 PM PST by TxAg1981
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To: ConservingFreedom

Don’t forget that the ACA requires insurance companies to report a Medical Loss Ratio of 85%. This means that 85% of every premium dollar must go directly to pay claims, leaving only 15% for administration (including IT, infrastructure, etc.) Failure to comply results in penalties.

Not excusing anything here, just wanted to add this to the discussion. More government manipulation of the insurance industry.


40 posted on 11/09/2015 12:58:03 PM PST by kdot
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