[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

If a conservative has a choice between Trump and Cruz

True conservatives must choose Trump. Cruz is not honest about his positions on amnesty. And he screwed us on Fast Track, and there's a good reason to think it wasn't because he was deceived. His wife works for Goldman Sachs and was a member of the CFR. Cruz lied or has a weird definition for "conservative" when he claims she was a "conservative dissident" when working for them. She supported their policies, but just "dissented" in that she thought the Mexican economy should be fixed with business friendly practices.

[conservativegamer]

You say Cruz is not honest about amnesty, but you support a man that made these quotes:

“The Republican Party will continue to lose presidential elections if it becomes mean-spirited and unwelcoming toward people of color”
“Republicans didn’t have anything going for them with respect to Latinos”
“Democrats [...] weren’t mean-spirited about [immigration]”
“[Romney] lost all of the Latino vote”

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Donald-Trump-Ronald-Kessler/2012/11/26/id/465363/

Now, I’m glad Trump has flipped on illegal immigration. That’s great. But don’t start calling other people dishonest when Trump just recently decided to come aboard himself.

[BobL]

“His wife...was a member of the CFR.”

Crap, didn’t know that. I have a HUGE PROBLEM with organizations that exist to save humans from themselves because they’re convinced that humans (other than them) are unable to make rational decisions as to who they elect and what policies they support.

And we see that especially in Europe, with at least 200,000 fighting-aged (and often war-hardened) men now entering every month. That’s 1000 full airplanes of people. And the response of the CFR types is to call people that see it as a threat to the European lifestyle a bunh of XENOPHOBES that need to be jailed.

Scary stuff.

[nathanbedford]

Only in a world of Franz Kafka could one be put to the task of defending the conservatism of Ted Cruz in comparison to the bizarro political world of Donald Trump.

The first thing to note about the differences between the two men is that there is no identifiable philosophical impulse in Donald Trump which leads into the bright sunny uplands of conservatism. Donald Trump lives in the world of Donald Trump. He is a flat-out narcissist. This is not just by way of criticism of his table manners, or his ability to play nicely with others, it is a dagger at the heart of his pseudo-conservatism. A conservative must be a person who will refrain from playing God and Donald Trump certainly can convince no thinking person that he is possessed of any deference to any being greater than himself.

Donald Trump is a God player which means that he has no conservative philosophical basis upon which to make his decisions should he become president rather he will bounce from issue to issue according to his ad hoc whim. Sometimes he might get it right of course but there is no predicting his reaction because the reaction will be essentially an ego trip.

Donald Trump's biography illustrates time and again what I mean. Is he a Democrat, a Republican, conservative, or an independent? What is his flavor this week? Donald Trump's position on amnesty is that everyone should come into the country whom Donald Trump decides he likes. There is no objective standard there is only Donald Trump. Donald Trump has "evolved" on virtually every issue especially abortion, it is because he is running in circles while he stands in place.

I deliver this thumbnail analysis ( not psychoanalysis-that would go into the why of it ) of Donald Trump because it is necessary to understand the context on this forum: One can defend Ted Cruz on every charge that has been made or half-made about his conservatism and it will not matter because the Trump supporters will simply kick up more dust while at the same time turning a blind eye to their own man's yawning deficiencies of character.

I am prepared to defend Ted Cruz on all the charges you have laid, but can you defend Donald Trump, really?

Bob L argues that at least Trump will not be run over while in office while real conservatives( my characterization ) like Ted Cruz inevitably will be. There is absolutely nothing in the record of Ted Cruz who stood up virtually alone against the mob in the Senate all night long with a urine bag strapped to his leg defending you against the Republican establishment and the hordes of Democrats, an example of courage which suggests that he would hardly cave on any issue at any time. That is simply preposterous. As to Donald Trump's ability to withstand pressure, he is a God player, he is a narcissist, he might well become obdurate and refuse to acknowledge reality, that is the nature of a narcissist, and God help the Republic as and when it happens.

[catfish1957]

True conservatives must choose Trump.

So, you are telling me that "true" conservatives are supposed to support the less conservative candidate? (Trump). You Trumpets crack me up. Y'all will say the craziest things to get your "Trojan Horse" of a candidate elected. You want to talk trust? Why should I support Trump, when he has been a monetary supporter of Hilary and the Clinton Foundation? Again, you Trumpets will say or do anything to try to make Trump look like a conservative. When in essence he isn't.

[dmz]

True conservatives must choose Trump.

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Yes, absolutely, because true conservatives

A) support Kelo
B) are gaga over single payer healthcare
C) have all given the Clinton foundation more than 100k

That LIV can believe trump is conservative is understandable, but freepers?

My sense is that you know trump is not conservative, but don’t care because you want to believe in a savior (lowercase style savior), and he’s the only one out there casting himself as one.

[JediJones]

So what about Ivanka? She’s best friends with Chelsea Clinton, fund raised for Cory Booker, and supported same-sex marriage. And Donald seems to love her more than any of his wives and said he might date her if she wasn’t his daughter. So don’t try to tell me she won’t have as much influence over him as a wife.