I think you’re confusing me with someone who disagrees with you.
I wasn’t trying to obfuscate. I think of laws (other than manmade laws) as things that exist whether man does or not. Logic doesn’t exist without us (OK, God is logical, but that’s a different discussion) so I refer to them as rules. It’s just semantics.
I disagree. Logic still exists without man: A rock could not be completely black and completely white.