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Waco Coverup Unraveling
The Aging Rebel ^ | 11/3/2015

Posted on 11/04/2015 6:44:26 AM PST by Elderberry

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To: Freemeorkillme

I luff you. Come, let us cuddle.


141 posted on 11/05/2015 8:09:57 AM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Freemeorkillme

I have no idea what words being typed by you mean.


142 posted on 11/05/2015 8:33:23 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator; Finny; Cboldt
But I am pretty sure these biker gangs have a well deserved reputation and its not due to them needing a shave and a haircut.

Interestingly, the state of Texas tries to put some definitions to this matter.

"Texas Penal Code §71.01 defines a criminal gang as three or more persons having a common identifying sign or symbol or an identifiable leadership who continuously or regularly associate in the commission of criminal activities."

From

2015 Texas Gang Threat Assessment

Couple of observations...

Like the 2014 Assessment, Bandidos are classified as in the middle of Tier 2 as to their threat level.

The only mention I see (first reading) of Cossacks is their role in the May 17 affair at Twin Peaks. Do not even make Tier 3.

I would wager that both the Grand Jury and any jury that hears a trial for violating 71.01 is going to be surprised to learn the criteria that the law sets forth. The DA might be able to indict (ham sandwich syndrome - but, seems to me he will need actual convicted criminals). And as Finny (props) often reminds us, they rounded up a bunch of folks with no criminal record on 5/17/15.

Also interesting to note that Waco PD gets no mention as a contributor to the report. Seems that Stroman, Swanton, et al get no respect from the Big Boys.

143 posted on 11/05/2015 9:01:12 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Trumpinator

It's good for a man to know his limitations.

144 posted on 11/05/2015 9:02:48 AM PST by BlueDragon
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To: Trumpinator
No, I am not talking about the poseurs. I think you are equating middle aged men who ride bikes on the weekend and try to look "bad" with the real outlaw - as in bikers who make a living by doing illegal activities types.

That is pretty much what these turf battles are all about - controlling areas where only an exclusive biker gang - emphasis gang and not club - controls territory so they can make money.

Your post above proves only that you are actually talking out your ass.

You are like a Midwesterner who has never been to California, telling everyone what Los Angeles is really like, and who proves it by saying something like "a 3.0 earthquake will bring the city to a standstill."

Your very words prove you to be laughably ignorant about the subject at hand. It would be funny if it wasn't so damned crucial -- here is an incident as clear a day of people being arrested and having their lives destroyed for exercising their right to free association and free assembly. And you are prattling insulting crap like "middle aged men who ride bikes on the weekend and try to look 'bad' with the real outlaw" -- truly, you deserve a good hard smack upside the head for the ugly contempt you have for men a whole helluva lot better and more honorable than you. You are a loser, Trumpinator. And dangerous to the American constitution.

145 posted on 11/05/2015 10:02:25 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: Trumpinator

Yer on the good political side, the Trump side, so stop pissing everyone off.


146 posted on 11/05/2015 10:12:12 AM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: don-o
Are you an attorney? I ask because several (including one I can name - Clinton Broden) have asserted that there are more grounds for action against Waco than that one you cited.

I'm not an attorney. I just work with several. The thing is, that all the other statements made by the article regarding the cops' actions individually are not wrongful. For instance:

1. "..local, state and federal law enforcement officials knew of a conflict between the Cossacks and the Bandidos.." OK, so they knew. So what? That doesn't mean they have to do anything about it.

2. "..[the police] decided that the Waco Twin Peaks was where that conflict might escalate into something RICO worthy and interesting.." Nothing wrong with what the cops did here.

3. "..surrounded the Twin Peaks with militarized police.." Nothing wrong here. This is well within police authority.

4. "..set up their cameras.." Nope, nothing wrong here.

5. "..then watched, as in CNN's memorable phrase, as the parking lot was turned into a raging war zone.." This involves a matter opinion by CNN. But still, nothing says the cops have to act every time they see crime in progress. Remember the Joe Horn case? The cops were watching as the burglary took place, and Horn shot the perps.

However, what ties this all together and begs to establish a cause of action is if the cops PROVOKED the gunfight. If the bikers can establish this, then everything else points to a conspiracy, and the bikers have a BIG lawsuit. Without evidence that the cops provoked the fight, the bikers have nothing but empty accusations.

147 posted on 11/05/2015 11:52:18 AM PST by eastexsteve
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To: American in Israel

It is the current trend of tranny(and the rate of change) that concerns me. I don’t give a wit about someone’s skin color.


148 posted on 11/05/2015 12:03:17 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("It gets late early around here..." Yogi)
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To: zeugma

Probably an undercover embedded officer that, after alerting the local authorities to the meet-up, made damned sure that he started the shooting fiasco so the cops could arrest everyone. This is the stuff that movies are made of.


149 posted on 11/05/2015 12:59:10 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: Trumpinator
Maybe like Saddam Hussien they pretend to be bad guys to get a rep but turns out they have no WMD, etc.

Slightly off topic, but since you brought it up first...

what, exactly, was being transported in that miles-long caravan of 18-wheeler trucks headed from Iraq to Syria, and caught on satellite by intel agencies, about three months before we invaded Iraq?

Oh, and btw, it's spelled Hussein (same as Barack Obama's name). Muslim names don't recognize English spelling rules like "i before e except after c".

150 posted on 11/05/2015 1:37:56 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: XenaLee
what, exactly, was being transported in that miles-long caravan of 18-wheeler trucks headed from Iraq to Syria, and caught on satellite by intel agencies, about three months before we invaded Iraq?

I keep seeing that before - but Assad and Saddam were bitter enemies. The notion that Saddam sent his WMD to Syria is laughable to me and always has been. Also, chemical weapons degrade real fast - the ingredients have a shelf life as do the shells. At this point I don't even think there was a convoy - lots of reports from that war turned out to have been wrong. Remember the Iraq naval ship that was made to circle the oceans but not dock anywhere that may have held the WMD? That turned out to be a myth also but it was in the press.

151 posted on 11/05/2015 1:50:51 PM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator

First off, no....it was not a myth. It was a fact. One that you still haven’t addressed as to what was being transported.

As for your contention that Saddam and Assad were enemies, ever heard of that age old truism (especially among Middle Easterners) that “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”? Saddam knew his ass was toast three months before Bush went in and dealt with him. Saddam was just desperate enough to strike a deal with Assad. EOS

So your deflection calling it a myth is an epic fail. Intelligence agencies know that caravan happened. What they do not know is what was apparently so important to dispose of that was being transported. You have any clue?


152 posted on 11/05/2015 2:06:23 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: XenaLee
First off, no....it was not a myth. It was a fact. One that you still haven’t addressed as to what was being transported.

Why would I address what was inside a mythical convoy? Maybe it was Christians fleeing Muslims - the Iraqi Christians all went to Syria. And yes, Assad and Saddam were deadly enemies - Syria participated in Desert Storm.

http://www.wired.com/2012/07/syria-iraq-wmd-meme/

No, Syria Doesn’t Have Saddam’s Chemical Weapons

153 posted on 11/05/2015 2:10:58 PM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Boomer; Trumpinator; Lazamataz

Don’t mind him Laz. He’s very new.


A retread?


154 posted on 11/05/2015 4:22:14 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Lazamataz; Boomer

I know, but I still gotta Do The Laz Dance all over Trumpinator.


Please NO! It’s nothing against the dance; it’s just that you wear the spandex short, mesh shirt, fish net stockings and high heels when you do the Laz Dance!

You’ll frighten the cattle!


155 posted on 11/05/2015 4:24:56 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: T-Bone Texan

“his one phone call was not “Hey, please take care of my two sons who are at home alone”, but rather”please go to my house immediately and dispose of all the drugs.”

A great tragedy that any “club” culture requires a man to ride, even leaving his children alone as in the case you cite, or as fatherless in the case of Campbell . . .

And OH what a guy! in your example. He wants someone ELSE — a friend or relative — to become a felon for disposing of evidence of a crime! or hindering a criminal investigation regarding drugs in his possession!

And a man such as this, is presented to us by some here, as an exemplar of Constitutional values?? Sorry, not swallowing that Kool Aid.

Thanks for this believable example. I won’t ask you to openly divulge the identities of your sources.


156 posted on 11/05/2015 5:08:41 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Trumpinator
"wired" is your source? What a joke.

I assume that was the title.

The deal is, it was never put as Saddam necessarily transported to the State of Syria (as under authority of Assad) what he did not want the U.S. military to find, but that he transferred significant amounts of chemicals to non-state actors within Syria, with some of that possibly ending up in the Bekaa Valley too.

Here is a possible place to begin;

5 1/2 minute youtube presentation hits the highlights. Search on from there, but don't rely on "wired.dotcom" to tell the truth, not when the writers there are entirely partisan, entirely anti-George W. Bush Admin, and actively pro 0bama.

Look around. What has that brought us so far?

Is the world safer now that the evil "Bush" is no longer around?

Zippy ran against W, even though George W was not standing for re-election, that fist time the Liar Who Reads Teleprompter won election (if he really did win, other than a jiggered election, after a jiggered Democrat primary election).

157 posted on 11/05/2015 5:25:29 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: AMDG&BVMH

And you casually transfer all of that right on to Campbell, who's own story came from where again?

Two different individuals, two entirely different MC's.

Look! That guy way over there (even way up in Canada) is guilty!

That must mean that all those others way down in Texas must be guilty of the same thing.

Get Judge Roy Bean to hang them all.

String 'em up. It will teach them a lesson.

You people make me sick.

158 posted on 11/05/2015 5:38:33 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: All

Grand jury to start hearing Twin Peaks biker cases next week

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3356962/posts


159 posted on 11/05/2015 6:18:26 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: AMDG&BVMH
And a man such as this, is presented to us by some here, as an exemplar of Constitutional values?? Sorry, not swallowing that Kool Aid.

Really? What, exactly, is an exemplar of Constitutional values? And for that matter, what IS a Constitutional value?

You sound kinda mixed up. Enlighten me....Are you saying that some standard of character / conduct is required in order for an American citizen to have the protections guaranteed by the Constitution? That question can be answered Yes or No. It's that straightforward.

160 posted on 11/05/2015 7:21:30 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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