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Sinai plane crash: No survivors on Russian airliner KGL9268
BBC News ^ | 31 October 2015

Posted on 10/31/2015 2:35:11 PM PDT by Lorianne

A Russian airliner has crashed in central Sinai killing all 224 people on board, Egyptian officials have said.

The Airbus A-321 had just left the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, bound for the Russian city of St Petersburg.

Wreckage was found in the Hasana area and bodies removed, along with the plane's "black box". An official described a "tragic scene" with bodies of victims still strapped to seats.

Egypt's prime minister said no "irregular" activities were to blame.

Sinai has an active militant network, and on Saturday afternoon, jihadis allied to the so-called Islamic State made a claim on social media that they brought down flight KGL9268.

But Russian Transport Minister Maksim Sokolov told Interfax news agency that "such reports cannot be considered true". No evidence had been seen that indicated the plane was targeted, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Egypt; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: airbusa321; egypt; eritrea; iran; isis; kgl9268; kogalymavia; redsea; russia; russiaplanecrash; sharmelsheikh; sinai; sinaiplanecrash; stpetersburg; suezcanal; yemen
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To: TXnMA

The pics of the tail on the ground do not show the horizontal stabilizers still attached or near the remaining tail.

Structural failure resulting in loss of the horizontal stabilizers can cause the excursions noted.

Also, the main fuselage appears to have impacted flat and inverted, while the tail impacted upright. Loss of HSs usually causes the nose to tuck and aircraft to go inverted, sometimes resulting in a flat spin.


81 posted on 11/01/2015 5:42:04 AM PST by wrench
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To: Lorianne

Many side discussions, photos,etc. However, still unable to discern from readings here and elsewhere, a reasonable explanation for what appears to be and almost total absence of fire/charring.


82 posted on 11/01/2015 5:56:22 AM PST by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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To: wrench
Until I re-read your comments, I overlooked your mention of an earlier tail strike. Except for the missing overhead in the rear latrine area, I can see that being a matching failure cause, as well...

Of course, I agree with your remarks re loss of HStabs. Sort of a chicken and egg thing, though: Did loss of HStabs cause a high-stress condition -- or vice versa...?

If the examiners/analysts are any good, the FDRs should shed some light on those issues.

Whatever the cause, that Radar24 data shows a radical departure from stable flight -- to put it mildly...

83 posted on 11/01/2015 5:56:27 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: wrench
Loss of HSs usually causes the nose to tuck and aircraft to go inverted, sometimes resulting in a flat spin.

Agreed. I believe I mentioned that the wild vertical delta vee excursions could have been porpoising and/or tumbling...

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BTW& FWIW, I didn't see (except in a photo of a different crash) signs that the rest of the a/c landed inverted. I'll look more closely...

84 posted on 11/01/2015 6:09:56 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Lorianne; SunkenCiv; ETL; nuconvert; Thunder90
What does, however, jump out from this particular airplane's record is an accident that it suffered on November 16, 2001, while landing at Cairo (while owned and operated by Middle East Airlines). As it touched down the nose was pointing at too high an angle and the tail hit the tarmac- heavily enough to cause substantial damage.

Tail strikes like this are not uncommon. The airplane was repaired and would have been rigorously inspected then and during subsequent maintenance checks. Nonetheless investigators who will soon have access to the Airbus's flight data recorder will take a hard look at what is called the rear pressure bulkhead, a critical seal in the cabin's pressurization system.

A Russian television reporter said that the remains of the tail of the Airbus were found three miles from the rest of the wreckage. Images of the tail section show a clear break near the site of the rear pressure bulkhead.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/31/did-accident-from-14-years-ago-doom-russian-plane-over-egypt.html

It looks as if the aircraft suffered from Soviet maintenance.

85 posted on 11/01/2015 11:29:33 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Regarding those pictures——what was the local time in the Sinai when the Metrojet plane went down? Was the sun up?


86 posted on 11/01/2015 1:24:56 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: AdmSmith

Thanks!


87 posted on 11/01/2015 1:44:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Rockpile

I can imagine how the Boeing folks who worked on that JAL 747 felt with it going down with the huge pax load.

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How about when their 737’s were dropping out of the sky on approach?


88 posted on 11/01/2015 1:48:45 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: PA Engineer

Could that orange box in the foreground be one of the FDRs?


89 posted on 11/01/2015 6:16:39 PM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: virgil
I don't know, however they seemed to recover both them almost immediately.

I had glanced right over that. Great catch.
90 posted on 11/01/2015 6:24:52 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: AdmSmith

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Air Bust plastic toys.

If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going!

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91 posted on 11/03/2015 9:58:48 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: virgil

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Or a lucky piece of luggage?
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92 posted on 11/03/2015 10:01:05 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Or another piece of emergency equipment.


93 posted on 11/03/2015 3:24:52 PM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: virgil

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Yes, more likely.


94 posted on 11/03/2015 4:04:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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