Posted on 10/28/2015 9:28:37 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
I back the officer. Smartass runny-nosed brat!
After the school district pays her $20 million dollars.
Don’t forget the school catching on fire. Let’s load up the BS.
I’d look for pattern of behavior. The cops have to do a better job of policing their own, because what happens next? Lawsuit with the taxpayers on the hook.
Cops look for patterns of behavior and we should, too. What scares you about that? The government policing the police?
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Ruben, you’re deflecting and not answering the question I had for you in Post # 56 above. Can you answer the question, since you were so critical of the cop’s handling of the situation...to the point where you want to send “Family Services” to the cop’s house. To help you out, I’ll copy the post 56 question and paste it here:
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POST # 56 QUESTION FOR ZUBEN: So Zuben, how SPECIFICALLY would YOU have handled the defiant YUTE who had “acted up”, repeatedly refused to obey school officials (including refusing to leave), refused lawful orders from the cop and finally resisted arrest. Enquiring minds would like to know...possibly so we could assess whether to send social services to your home.
And you, of course, have the opportunity to Monday morning quarterback and to NOT have time or situational issues restrict you.
Ditto. One thing they should add to police training on this is to clear the room.
It is the job of the teacher and the administration. The administration decided to bring in the school cop who decided to administer his training upon her. I think those are the facts.
My comments were directed at what I saw as an overreaction by the cop. If any male, including her father, acted in such a way, I'd have the same criticism: bullies don't need to rough up on the girls, but they oftentimes do and do so with all the girls in their lives. So, thereby my suggestion that family services go in and police his home.
The police of today need more training and monitoring and if that also includes family services, so be it.
We'll make the police forces better. NObody likes their family's investigated and that's probably the basis of your contempt for my new, improved and intrusive management of troubled cops.
“If the police do something that they’d arrest you for doing (for instance) then they are criminals.”
If you wrestle someone to the ground, you are breaking the law, but if a cop wrestles someone to the ground to take them in custody, it is legal.
It IS that simple. Otherwise there would be no arrests. Ever.
That wasn’t wrestling. And if it was it was still needless.
I am NOT defending the girl who still has discipline issues. But I am taking umbrage at this cop who used his inordinate physical strength to toss this girl around.
He could have killed her.
I’m SO glad I retired from law enforcement before the advent of readily available and easy to use video recorders.
What was seen in the 70’s and 80’s when I was wearing the uniform as acceptable use of force situations is now documented on video and in many cases sensationalized to the point where cops are increasingly becoming paralyzed by fear of losing their jobs or going to jail.
Want to know why vehicle pursuits happen so often nowadays? Because back in the day, everyone knew there was going to be a good ass kicking administered at the end of the pursuit. Same goes with running away or resisting arrest or a lawful order. If I had to chase you down or lay hands upon you so we could conduct our business, you were going to pay for it. There were no busybodies or eyes in the sky with high def video recorders capturing everything that happened. For whatever reason, people with poor impulse control understand bad behavior earns an immediate ass kicking much more readily than the long term ramifications of a court appearance somewhere in the future and they acted accordingly.
As harsh as that may sound, almost always, the bad guy ended up going to jail, even if we had to make a stop at the ER before booking. Now, with so much scrutiny, and so many people pointing at video to make a case for the suspect and against the cop, things have escalated to the point where the bad guy is as likely to end up going to the morgue instead of the hospital then to jail.
Certainly, things have evolved since I retired in 1988, but in my day, if you shot someone, that person had better actually have a gun they were going for. A “furtive movement” or “reaching for his waistband” would never have been accepted as an excuse for shooting an unarmed person.
Back then, failure to comply by putting your hands in your pocket would get you a punch in the face, or at worst, a flashlight across the head. Doing so today gets you shot.
But then, no one I ever worked with shaved their head so they could look like a storm trooper and we wore wool police uniforms that cost a full days pay, not the military style uniforms they wear today.
What I’ve written here is not meant to be justification of how the deputy handled the situation that is the subject of this thread. If this particular case does nothing else, it will be a message to every cop on the job, if the shit hits the fan, every one behind you is going to make sure you’re in front and for every punk kid that doesn’t want to behave in school, do whatever you want because you will get away with it. It’s impossible to predict just how big this can of worms is that just got opened here, but it’s going to be huge.
I must admit that the increasingly militaristic behavior of the police is shocking to me as well, but I also understand well why it’s becoming this way. And I’m glad I’m no longer a cop.
And if they don't want to move to Detroit or New York or Philadelphia or Los Angeles? You're saying that to prove some asinine point they should quit their jobs, uproot their family, and move them across country. Would you do that?
“...My comments were directed at what I saw as an overreaction by the cop. ...
...The police of today need more training and monitoring and if that also includes family services, so be it.
We’ll make the police forces better. ...”
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Ruben, once again you’re deflecting and not answering the question I had for you in Post # 56 above and repeated in Post # 84. Can you answer the question, since you were so critical of the cop’s handling of the situation...to the point where you want to send “Family Services” to the cop’s house. To help you out, I’ll copy the post 56 question and paste it here:
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BEGIN POST # 56 QUESTION FOR ZUBEN: So Zuben, how SPECIFICALLY would YOU have handled the defiant YUTE who had “acted up”, repeatedly refused to obey school officials (including refusing to leave), refused lawful orders from the cop and finally resisted arrest. Enquiring minds would like to know...possibly so we could assess whether to send social services to your home.
And you, of course, have the opportunity to Monday morning quarterback and to NOT have time or situational issues restrict you.
END POST # 56 QUESTION FOR ZUBEN
I agree with you that police of today need more training so as to “make the police forces better” as you put it. Your answer to my question in Post #56 above could perhaps serve as a basis for a lesson for the police badly in need of training. What specifically would you have done differently? Tasered the girl? Used a tranquilizer gun on the girl? Called in the local SWAT team? Emptied the classroom of all other students & teachers and tossed in a Tear Gas Grenade? Throw a net over the girl and the chair and removed both from the classroom. Come on Zuben, what is the proper way to handle an out of control YUTE who is resisting arrest? What would you have YOUR local cops do if that girl was in YOUR house and refused to leave?
When does the girl get invited to the White House?
I'm afraid times have changed.
There was a time when a father could discipline his daughter by acting just like this sheriff's deputy did. However, if a father disciplines his daughter in that manner these days, he will more or less automatically be arrested and taken to jail on a domestic violence charge.
There was a time when a husband could discipline his wife by acting just as this sheriff's deputy did. However, if a husband disciplines his wife in that manner these days, he will more or less automatically be arrested and taken to jail on a domestic violence charge. It would not be a defense to argue that the wife was in fact disobedient.
Should a sheriff's deputy have more latitude than a parent or husband to act this way when a child is disobedient? Who do you trust more to discipline children - police officers or parents? I think this case raises interesting questions like that.
Times have changed. Fathers and husbands have lost many of their rights to discipline disobedient children and wives in ways that were once considered legitimate.
“The officer had many more options at his disposal other than over the top physical force against a girl”.
Mark Furhman said yesterday the cop showed restraint and used the minimum of force to quell the situation. I believe Furhman, not the grandstanding sheriff trying to keep his job.
It was a lot better when the cops could take care of matters a bit out on the streets. The crooks, the degenerates, the riff-raff and ne’er-do-wells had some respect and fear. Today they will record video of you to win a lawsuit (the ghetto lottery) and get you fired,
And the school deserves every damn bit of the chaos it gets.
How do you propose moving someone who won’t move ? Or asking someone to do something and they refuse ?
You are woefully ignorant about the behavior of many students and the attitudes they bring to class.
I was a teacher for six years and have broken up many fights and disciplined many students, well before there were any such thing as "school resource officers."
So, yeah, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.
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