Posted on 10/11/2015 2:48:11 PM PDT by lbryce
ublished on Oct 9, 2015 Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson has waded deeper into a row over gun control by claiming that Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed.
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And we used to Joke about DU!
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An equivalent headline would be, "FOUR DEAD AT BENGHAZI; HILLARY: "SO WHAT?"
They wised up, eventually.
I was replying to someone else’s snark, not actually asking a question.
What Ben Carson said was no more provocative
than what the Father of the Constitution, James
Madison, stated in the Federalist #46 about
armed Americans as opposed to unarmed Europeans.
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My Bad!
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Warsaw April 23, 1943
It is impossible to put into words what we have been through. One thing is clear, what happened exceeded our boldest dreams. The Germans ran twice from the ghetto. One of our companies held out for 40 minutes and another for more than 6 hours. The mine set in the "brushmakers" area exploded. Several of our companies attacked the dispersing Germans. Our losses in manpower are minimal. That is also an achievement. Y. [Yechiel] fell. He fell a hero, at the machine-gun.
I feel that great things are happening and what we dared do is of great, enormous importance....
Beginning from today we shall shift over to the partisan tactic. Three battle companies will move out tonight, with two tasks: reconnaissance and obtaining arms. Do you remember, short-range weapons are of no use to us. We use such weapons only rarely. What we need urgently: grenades, rifles, machine-guns and explosives.
It is impossible to describe the conditions under which the Jews of the ghetto are now living. Only a few will be able to hold out. The remainder will die sooner or later. Their fate is decided. In almost all the hiding places in which thousands are concealing themselves it is not possible to light a candle for lack of air.
With the aid of our transmitter we heard the marvelous report on our fighting by the "Shavit" radio station. The fact that we are remembered beyond the ghetto walls encourages us in our struggle.
Peace go with you, my friend! Perhaps we may still meet again!
The dream of my life has risen to become fact. Self-defense in the ghetto will have been a reality. Jewish armed resistance and revenge are facts. I have been a witness to the magnificent, heroic fighting of Jewish men in battle.
M. Anielewicz
Ghetto, April 23, 1943
http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20582.pdf
Mordecai Anielewicz (1919-1943), leader of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising and commander of the Zydowska Organizacja Bojowa, the Jewish Combat Organization.
In April 1943, a second wave of deportations from the Warsaw Ghetto began. Anielewicz, a Jew who had escaped years before, covertly re-entered the Ghetto to find that only 30,000 of the cities original 350,000 Jews remained.
Fueled with vengeance, he became the groups leader and quickly came into contact with the Home Liberation Front, the Polish government in exile located in Britain.
The JCO enacted the first large scale Warsaw Uprising on April 19, 1943 with guerrilla warfare tactics, effectively stalling the Germans for a month.
The uprising was finally quelled on May 16, 1943 with most of the JCO members dead. Mordechai Anielewicz is presumed to have taken his own life when surrounded by Nazi troops.
FYI - Jewish Germans and Jewish Britains fought with Germans and and British during WWI
Jews took part in almost everyone’s military, but that’s a non sequitur to the subject of armed civilians.
This is called reductio ad absurdum - an effective debate technique in tenth grade.....
I remember reading of a German officer who could not comprehend Jews fighting for their lives!
His words were...”Why won’t they come out? Why won’t they come out and let us exterminate them?”
I am also reminded of a scene in VIVA ZAPATA in which Madero is brought to power, and the people are ordered to turn in their guns.
During the gun turn in, General Huerta attacks them with the Mexican Army.
Thomas J Dodd used this as his pattern for the 1968 Gun Control Act. so basically, we are now to a certain extent under the Nazi Weapons Act.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm
The headline is a gross distortion of what he said.
Whither “Fantasy” or not it is really not the subject of this thread, The subject is the Attack on Ben and his Stance that Guns would have given the Jews a better chance at survival. Which is 100% correct period.
Now Guns were legal prior to the confiscation of Hitler (1938):
Here is just a quick setup of what occurred which is more detail(bigger picture) than the prior post with the specific laws cited, by the way are you trying to say the Jews did not have guns before this? Really?:
“Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult. The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938. “
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Amend/nazi_repression.htm
Also, I don't think that's what Ben Carson said.
Article and # 47 .
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“.......Jewish people in Nazi Germany might have been able to prevent the Holocaust if they had been armed.”
Like us, depending on where we live??
HOORAY Ben Carson! Ben Carson for President.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward. - Aleksandr Solzhenitzyn
You mean the media lied?
Thanks for the ping to the thread, LucyT; and your post, MarvinStinson.
HOORAY Mordecai Anielewicz
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