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How to Roll Back Russia
Commentary ^ | 7 Oct 15 | Max Boot

Posted on 10/08/2015 1:22:17 PM PDT by elhombrelibre

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Every day seems to bring an escalation of the Russian military involvement in Syria. First it was airstrikes from more than 30 warplanes that Russia has positioned in Syria. Now it’s cruise missile strikes from warships in the Caspian Sea. Soon, if hints from Moscow are to be believed, Russian “volunteers” — a.k.a. “Little Green Men” — will be showing up in Syria to engage in ground combat alongside Iranian and Assad forces.

President Obama can pretend that this is no big deal and that Russia is getting sucked into a quagmire, but this is a serious geopolitical disaster and a major humiliation for the United States. Putin, in fact, seems to be going out of his way to target American-backed rebel groups and to send his aircraft to violate the airspace of Turkey, a NATO ally, as if to demonstrate how powerless mighty American has become and how once-weak Russia can again strut on the world stage.

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To: Trumpinator

“Really? Russia under Lenin and Stalin was one armed death camp.”

What about under Brezhnev, or Gorbachev?

You have to selectively pick one single period of the USSR in order to make the comparison seem silly. If we compare the Russia of today with the Russia of the 1980s, say, then the comparison doesn’t look very ridiculous at all.


61 posted on 10/08/2015 2:11:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Mariner; Boogieman
"They simply have a state-run church that masquerades as “Christian” (just like the Nazis)."

It's not like England has a state church or anything founded by a murderer.

62 posted on 10/08/2015 2:12:03 PM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: 100American

LOL! ; )


63 posted on 10/08/2015 2:14:06 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Trumpinator
I call bullshite on that. That is like people telling me the NWO is out to reduce the global population via the Georgian guidestones and with less proof to back it up.

I don't know about you, but i've been reading about the Iranian nuclear death wish since the 1990s. Articles about this quirk of a particular sect of Shia Islam abound all over the internet.

I am as convinced as I need to be that we should under no circumstances allow the Iranian religious kooks to get their hands on Nuclear ICBMs.

If you are not, I suggest you read up on the topic. The Iranians have been chanting "Death to America" since 1979, and once they acquire a Nuclear capability, they would be a whole hell of a lot closer at being able to deliver on that threat.

Take out New York and you wipe out the Nation's financial system. It might not kill us, but it would certainly result in a massive amount of death and destruction.

64 posted on 10/08/2015 2:14:19 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Boogieman
What about under Brezhnev, or Gorbachev? As police state like Russia is right now - Russia under Putin is both freer now and richer for the average Russian (personal freedom and wealth) than any time in Russia's history and that includes the time of the Czars.

This is a golden age for Russians compared to what they had under Gorby, Brez, or Peter The Great or even Ivan the Terrible.

I will let you ponder that for a while.

65 posted on 10/08/2015 2:15:05 PM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: elhombrelibre

Type! Type! Type faster! Harder! It is all slipping away! Type or you will be left with nothing, einfreigoebbels!


66 posted on 10/08/2015 2:16:12 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (NATO and ISIS sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G)
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To: Boogieman

The last Gulag closed in 1988, but Nathan Shcharansky says some were in operation until the early 90’s.


67 posted on 10/08/2015 2:20:29 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I don't know about you, but i've been reading about the Iranian nuclear death wish since the 1990s.

And I have been reading crazy conspiracy theories since the 90s also. How many nations has Iran invaded since the fall of the Shah? Wars started? I find Iran a shrewd and dangerous enemy but that reacts rather than acts.

But all Muslims are not to be trusted. Why is the Sunni death cult (that actually has access to a bomb via Pakistan) not a fear of yours?

Are you so motivated by some hackneyed apocalyptic 1990s conspiracy theory that you would see all Syrian Christians killed an an Sunni jihad victory in Syria and Iraq?

68 posted on 10/08/2015 2:20:41 PM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: elhombrelibre

“Putin is targeting the same groups that ISIS targests.”
- einfreigoebbels

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
- Joseph Goebbels


69 posted on 10/08/2015 2:21:47 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (NATO and ISIS sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G)
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To: Trumpinator

“It’s not like England has a state church or anything founded by a murderer.”

Wow, you really have gone straight off the deep end!


70 posted on 10/08/2015 2:23:42 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Mariner

“The Russian Orthodox Church is not state run.”

Sure, and I’ve got a bridge for sale...


71 posted on 10/08/2015 2:24:11 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: nathanbedford
How many Christians will a bomb blast in the homeland kill?

Last I checked the Sunni branch of Islam has been attacking the USA since the 90s and resulted in mass deaths and destruction. And the Sunnis do have an allied nuclear state in Pakistan.

So why am I to concentrate on a threat from Iran that is hypothetical and pushed by theorists who urged the Iraq invasion and got that wrong? That group of fools has yet to get anything right on the middle east. yes, I am looking at you neoocons - failures that you are.

72 posted on 10/08/2015 2:24:17 PM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: DiogenesLamp; All
"I am as convinced as I need to be that we should under no circumstances allow the Iranian religious kooks to get their hands on Nuclear ICBMs. "

The solution to the problems in the Middle East (after riddance to Obama) is to destroy Iran's military and nuclear capability.

Then the world can see which power can effect REAL change.

And, it's not like we don't have due and just cause. And, legitimate strategic interest in doing so.

73 posted on 10/08/2015 2:24:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Trumpinator
If all sides in Syria lose the Christians are exterminated.

If only there were enough Christians in Syria to take over the country.

74 posted on 10/08/2015 2:26:23 PM PDT by Smittie (Just like an alien, I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: Trumpinator

It’s not the job of United States foreign policy to protect Christians everywhere in the world.

Certainly not for Christians who have had more than a dozen centuries to realize they were living in enemy territory and do something about it.


75 posted on 10/08/2015 2:27:20 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Almost all European countries have some form of official religion. To say Russia’s Orthodox is state run is meaningless - Europe was co-founded by the Christian church - not the faith but the actual institutions - be it Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant. So your dig is meaningless and actually anti-Christian and European.


76 posted on 10/08/2015 2:28:14 PM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator

“How many nations has Iran invaded since the fall of the Shah? Wars started?”

Plenty, they just don’t start conventional wars.


77 posted on 10/08/2015 2:29:52 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Trumpinator

Nonsense. In most European countries the connection to the official church is nothing more than a remnant of history at this point, with little practical meaning anymore.

That is not the case in Russia, where the government actually exerts control over the church leadership and uses the church as an unofficial wing of the government to further the state’s goals.


78 posted on 10/08/2015 2:32:01 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
It’s not the job of United States foreign policy to protect Christians everywhere in the world.

You are not the first on this forum to say this - screw the Christians as long as we defeat an ally of Iran and or Russia. Someone else - kabar or some such on here (I forgot his name) said that the fact Assad protects Christians is not a good enough reason to back him against the rebels who are mostly jihadis. And then he went on to praise Saudi Arabia.

At least you are honest about it as disgusting as that is. Screw the Christians from the land of Jesus birth. They should have been born American like Jesus was. Oh, wait....

I don't know what to say beyond that.

79 posted on 10/08/2015 2:32:18 PM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Boogieman
"Sure, and I’ve got a bridge for sale..."

That's a dismissal, not a refutation.

My assertion stands. It's not a state run Church.

80 posted on 10/08/2015 2:36:13 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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