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To: central_va; CodeToad; Catsrus; All
It is Trump's take on the 2A.

From his campaign website: The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

Many assume then that Trump includes self-defense against government tyranny in this definition. However, his words here and in other places I've seen indicate that he sees it solely for self-protection against criminals equally armed:

"You have to [allow Americans to legally buy and own *assault weapons,* whatever those are] because the bad guys are going to have them anyway. What happens when the bad guys have the assault weapons and you don't in a confrontation?"

The "bad guys" are criminals; he's said elsewhere that guns are needed in the citizenry basically because cops can't get there in time to help them if they're facing a criminal.

I ask them -- what about when government uses preventative enforcement technology with such force that cops WILL be able to get there in time? The person who agrees to Trump's version of why the 2A exists, therefore agrees that if cops (use of government) can improve their response time, then the 2A is obsolete.

Cruz acknowledges openly that the 2A is a "fundamental check on government tyranny." He knows that it is required in a free government so that Americans can halt the enforcers of government tyranny.

Trump, on the other hand, thinks it gives people the right to defend themselves with guns against "bad guys." Does he include overreaching government agents (cops, Feds, EPA enforcers, etc.) in that? A lot of people risk a big mistake when they attribute beliefs to Trump that evidence indicates are outside his range.

139 posted on 10/06/2015 12:24:59 PM PDT by Finny (Be prepared to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is a wish.)
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To: Finny
Trump is definitely an imperfect candidate. But I am willing to gamble on him delivering on many things I like. He may give me few things I don't like over a course of 4 years. But he is going to deliver. It is a gamble well worth taking IMO.

OTH the Establishment types , even Cruz, will not deliver on much. It will be the status quo all over again.

Trump is like a muscle car of the 60's. Yeah the back seat is tiny, it drinks gas and impracticable for many reasons. But did you look under the hood? That High Output V8 with the 4 bbl carb was too much to resist. So you bought it anyway.

141 posted on 10/06/2015 1:28:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Finny

They are both right, IMO. The 2nd Amendment was originally passed to stop a tyranny in this country. However, it also gives citizens the right to defend themselves against those who wish to do them harm. I don’t see a problem with both positions.


148 posted on 10/06/2015 2:31:13 PM PDT by Catsrus ( I callz 'em as I seez 'em.)
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