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To: WhiskeyX
The United States Government was obligated by the Constitution to suppress the unlawful Rebellion:

You aren't grasping the meaning of the Declaration of Independence. Independence is always lawful.

England had a law against independence too. Our founders declared that "the laws of nature, and of nature's God" over rode the laws of England. They also override the US Constitution.

72 posted on 10/03/2015 2:58:47 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“You aren’t grasping the meaning of the Declaration of Independence. Independence is always lawful.”

The delicious irony of it all; you are failing to grasp how you are arguing for the usurpation of the rights of the independence of the U.S. citizens to exercise their own right of self government by a self-appointed mob of treasonous Confederate conspirators employing voter fraud and armed coercion in contempt for the Declaration of Independence ,, Articles of Confederation, and Constitution.

“England had a law against independence too. Our founders declared that “the laws of nature, and of nature’s God” over rode the laws of England. They also override the US Constitution.”

Unlike England or the United Kingdom of Great Britain, the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and Constitution provide the means for the people to revolt against the government by many different means and even to secede from the Union of the United States without depriving the citizens of the United States their personal sovereign rights. The Confederate conspirators acted in contempt of those foundational documents and the principles for which they stood in an attempt to usurp the independence of the U.S. citizens in all states, including the Southern states and the Southern citizens.


88 posted on 10/03/2015 3:16:12 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: DiogenesLamp
"the laws of nature, and of nature's God" over rode the laws of England

A fair point. Those laws overrode our Constitution as well.

I mean that regardless of what the Constitution said, those Americans who continued to hold human beings in hereditary slavery forfeited their rights to self-government.

Unless they could have fought and won, which they did not.

113 posted on 10/03/2015 3:53:49 PM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (Call me a "Free Traitor" if it amuses you. It will only strengthen my resolve.)
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