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Man at center of Waco shootout remains a mystery
Houston Chronicle ^ | 10/2/2015 | Dane Schiller

Posted on 10/03/2015 6:12:21 AM PDT by Elderberry

Nearly 200 bikers were arrested after the deadly Waco melee in May, but one of the men in the middle of the action has not been charged with any crime.

People who were at the scene say they helped carry an injured Clifford Pierce to a triage area in the parking lot and believe he may have been paralyzed.

But they are unsure of his current whereabouts.

The last time Pierce was seen at the house he rented in Waco was the morning of the shooting, and he hasn't been back, said his former landlord. Family removed his belongings.

Messages left for him by the Houston Chronicle have not been returned. Pierce, who has previously lived in California, does not appear to have any prior arrests in Texas.

Houston lawyer Mark Thiessen, who represents a biker charged in the case, said it is too soon to jump to conclusions about why Pierce has not been accused in the incident, in which nine people were killed and 18 wounded.

"It is strange, absolutely," Thiessen said. "It is one of a bunch of questions right now."

Police and prosecutors have declined to talk, citing a gang order issued by a judge, which prohibits them from publicly commenting on the case.

All of the 177 bikers arrested after the incident, including many who were bystanders and claim they did not throw a punch or fire a gun, were accused of engaging in an organized crime conspiracy to commit assault and murder. They face 15 years to life if convicted.

Tensions had been running high between rival motorcycle clubs – the Cossacks and the Bandidos – in the weeks running up to the clash at a Twin Peaks restaurant, where a regional meeting of several biker clubs was to be held.

According to several of those who were at the event, the Cossacks showed up early and uninvited, and that led to a parking lot face-off between Pierce, a prospective member of the Cossacks, and David Martinez, president of the Dallas chapter of the Bandidos.

Martinez, who was riding a 2015 Harley Davidson and leading Bandidos into the lot, "nearly struck" Pierce, according to an affidavit by Waco police officer Vincent Glenn.

Glenn does not elaborate on what else happened between the men, both of whom were shot and wounded.

Witnesses have said Pierce, 50, was standing beside several Cossacks' motorcycles outside the restaurant. It is unclear if Pierce said anything to Martinez.

Violence "swiftly erupted," according to police, with bikers wielding guns, knives, brass knuckles and other weapons.

Martinez was later arrested at a hospital. Glenn's affidavit states police have video of Martinez firing a handgun, but he does not say if Martinez hit anyone.

Martinez, who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, could not be reached for comment, and he does not have a lawyer listed in files at McLennan County District Clerk.

Police have yet to reveal who among the dead or wounded were shot by officers. Waco's police chief has said his officers fired to save their lives as well as those of others.


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1 posted on 10/03/2015 6:12:21 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

This was clearly an undercover operation that went bad.

Pierce is likely an undercover cop, as is the mystery man in the blue shirt who signaled the cops.


2 posted on 10/03/2015 6:18:43 AM PDT by G Larry (Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
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To: Elderberry

IBTG


3 posted on 10/03/2015 6:19:15 AM PDT by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose! Does TG have to be an ass every day?)
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To: Elderberry

Oh my it’s a mystery. I guess this proves that all those drug-dealing murderous criminal gang members really are church-going conservatives after all.


4 posted on 10/03/2015 6:20:43 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Elderberry
Police and prosecutors have declined to talk, citing a gang order issued by a judge

Freudian typo.

5 posted on 10/03/2015 6:22:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

It is pretty clear no one involved in this is who you claim they are.


6 posted on 10/03/2015 6:24:28 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Elderberry

Curiouser and curiouser...

Police instigator or witness for the prosecution?


7 posted on 10/03/2015 6:26:37 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Just my opinion and only worth what you paid for it.)
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To: Elderberry

Interesting. Thanks for the link. There are other mysteries with this incident.

This one is also a puzzle and is almost never mentioned.

http://motorcycleprofilingproject.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/triggered-shooting/


8 posted on 10/03/2015 6:28:39 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: G Larry

You said: “Pierce is likely an undercover cop, as is the mystery man in the blue shirt who signaled the cops.”

I agree, or a federal agent for some alphabet organization.


9 posted on 10/03/2015 6:31:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

If you do not get why the abuse of the people in this case is very dangerous to your own liberties and freedom, then when they come for you or your children this way, what can you say?


10 posted on 10/03/2015 6:33:07 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron
If you do not get why the abuse of the people in this case is very dangerous to your own liberties and freedom,

On the contrary, shooting drug dealers and criminal gang members enhances my own liberties and freedoms and improves the quality of life for everyone in the neighbourhood.

11 posted on 10/03/2015 6:42:55 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Oh my it’s a mystery. I guess this proves that all those drug-dealing murderous criminal gang members really are church-going conservatives after all.
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Well, one of the defenders (actually one who revels in the killings) of the statists slaughtering Americans. Your mother must be SO proud of you.


12 posted on 10/03/2015 6:56:08 AM PDT by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose! Does TG have to be an ass every day?)
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BFL


13 posted on 10/03/2015 7:00:50 AM PDT by Faith65 (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

unless you have proof of all 177 of them being convicted of drug dealing/criminal gang affiliation, you are slandering them.


14 posted on 10/03/2015 7:04:31 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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To: Elderberry

bkmrk


15 posted on 10/03/2015 7:13:34 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life :o)
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To: House Atreides

One of the benefits of free speech is that it makes it easy to tell who the morons are.


16 posted on 10/03/2015 7:18:00 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

What an intelligent comment.

Can you count to eleven without taking your shoes off?


17 posted on 10/03/2015 7:40:38 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
I don't know about him, but I can count to 99 on my hands.
18 posted on 10/03/2015 8:39:18 AM PDT by zeugma (Zaphod Beeblebrox for president! Or Cruz if Zaphod is unavailable.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; Elderberry; don-o; House Atreides; All

Apparently, Gator’s replacement is ECO minded and loves the taste of jackboot leather on his tongue — or else loves to see others lick his jackboots, one of the two.


19 posted on 10/03/2015 9:29:56 AM PDT by Finny (Be prepared to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is a mathematical fallacy.)
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To: Finny

I was assuming TG was history, then it posted all of 5 replies yesterday on only one thread.

Is it the same TG we immediately learned to despise?

Or another using the same login.


20 posted on 10/03/2015 10:20:02 AM PDT by Elderberry
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