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To: HamiltonJay
Competition... with what? Other agencies within the government??? And of course Obamacare is a disaster, but replacing it with a single-payer system -- the Canadian model of what Trump admires -- is ALSO a disaster.

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Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: the government’s gonna pay for it.

57 posted on 09/28/2015 8:46:05 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you're not enraged...why?)
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To: ScottinVA

Scott,

Seriously, you guys need to lay off the hyperbole a bit.

Let’s just use OBAMACARE as an example, shall we? We know we could buy at the governments expense, private health plans for every person who got coverage additionally due to Obamacare, and even if the government paid 100% of the premiums, the cost to the entire system would be far far far less than the Trillions in cost Obamacare has created. That’s just a fact.

Now, you can argue why should the government pay for this? Advocating that isn’t conservative... and that’s a fine philosophical argument you may want to make, but at the end of the day the government is already paying for the health care of the uninsured, either directly or indirectly, you really think that the indigent showing up at clinics and ER’s are getting free care? Someone is paying for it, just indirectly.

Trump is making a very valid point, you can do things a lot smarter than Obamacare, you can indeed make sure folks are covered, without destroying the industry. Insurance companies are making fortunes off Obamacare... Hospitals and delivery systems are being driven into the ground by it. Its a great scam, the whole thing is a great scam.

So, what is Trump lying about? That there is so much waste, fraud and otherwise in the existing system, that there is no way it can be made more effective and cost less? Are you really trying to take that stand?

I have no idea what Trumps plan will be since it isn’t published, but what if, just what if, the plan were to take the federal spending already on the books for this insanity that interstate competition for insurance were created, so more competition were in every state, and that instead of administering a giant single payer like medicare and medicaid, that pretty much drive the industry, for good or ill, that everyone got private plans, even if they were paid for by the government, and overall money and overhead lead to billions if not trillions in savings, better health care, and access to all?

We will see what happens when his plan is released, but the idea that what he’s proposed to date, or even said to date is worse that where things are today or a giant threat to capitalism is nonsensical.

Health Care in america today is one of the least capitalist systems in our economy, and the continued increase of cost cannot continue.. I will be interested to see what exactly Trump proposes, and when he does we can discuss it, but until then its all just speculation on everyone’s part and hyperbole by the ‘useful idiots’ to attack with no knowledge of what it is.

Trump has never been my guy, but seriously if you really want to have a serious conversation about health care in the US, you can’t just knee jerk heyperboles without facts. Because as much as folks like to pretend otherwise, we have a single payer system in the US and have for decades, for most practical purposes. Yes they may not pay every bill, an reimbursement rates may vary, but when Medicare/Medicaid decide to do something it becomes the defacto standard for the entire industry, it may not be mandated by force, but they are the elephant in the room in terms of $$$ and what they do drives the industry... most folks are just completely ignorant of it.


75 posted on 09/28/2015 9:08:41 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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